Sep 7, 2013 at 8:12 pm #1307426
I am wondering at what temperatures would the below setup would be comfortable to.
Exped Synmat UL 7.
EE Prodigy 50f.
Stoic Hadron Down hoody.
Montbell Ul inner pants
Goose Feet booties.
Cap 2 top and leggings.
Edit: Just purchased a EE Rev x 20f to fill this role, I will use the Syn quilt if the forecast is above 60f and as winter over bagSep 7, 2013 at 8:24 pm #2022831
I'm guessing around freezing comfortably.
But that's just a guess.Sep 7, 2013 at 8:39 pm #2022835
I'm hesitant to make recommendations but with the setup you have I'd probably feel safe to about 35-40 for short nights. In other words if its summer and it will only dip to 35 for a couple hours you're probably fine, if its a long night continuously at 35 I'd be more concerned.
Keep in mind I'm just one guy and I've pushed limits and had a couple cold miserable nights for my trouble.
I think freezing would be pushing things a lot, you might not die but you might not sleep much either.Sep 7, 2013 at 8:55 pm #2022841
Is the goose feet hoody a down hoody? If so that's 2 down hoodies, lots of upper torso insulation.Sep 7, 2013 at 9:03 pm #2022844
Ken T.BPL Member
nmSep 7, 2013 at 9:04 pm #2022845
I am thinking 40f myself just wanted to hear what folk had to say.
I typed hoody instead if booties :-)
p.s. I bought the 50f quilt a while back for summer trips in Michigan and to use as an overbag in winter but the temps have been getting down to 45fSep 7, 2013 at 9:06 pm #2022846
just edited that one Ken :-)Sep 7, 2013 at 9:17 pm #2022848
I would backyard test this setup but our adopted stray cat would more than likely try to claw its way in during the night.Sep 7, 2013 at 9:18 pm #2022849
With 1 down hoody, Luke is probably right.
40 sounds reasonable if the quilt is somewhat accurately rated (EE is a well respected company, so I would I think so.)Sep 7, 2013 at 9:20 pm #2022851
Spot on Justin,
I do have a warmer Gooses Feet Hoody I could use but at that stage I would be better of packing my Wm alpinelite.Sep 7, 2013 at 9:35 pm #2022857
@lunchandynnerLocale: Pacific Northwest
I've taken a 45* cheap lafuma synthetic bag down to 35 with a Klymit static V (r 1.0) with only thin running tights and 150 wool shirt with a MH Compressor PL synthetic jacket and light socks and a thin beanie. I slept fine through the night but admittedly, I was cold in the morning when I woke up and wanted to snooze a little before getting up.
However, sounds like you've got much more insulation than I did so I'd think you'd be able to take it down to around freezing. I've got a hadron anorak hoodie now, too and it's a very warm jacket for the weight. Throw on your windshirt or rain shell under the down jacket and that should give you even more warmth.Sep 7, 2013 at 9:45 pm #2022861
One VERY important thing I forgot to mention, I used a bivy when I took mine down to 35. That adds a few degrees of warmth in any situation and it makes a huge difference if you are using a quilt not a sleeping bag. I would NOT take that quilt down below 45-50 without a bivy because the drafts would be miserable. YMMVSep 7, 2013 at 9:53 pm #2022865
Good idea on the windshirt/rainshell, if they where dry I could wear them over the Hadron/ul inner trousers to somewhat negate the cold spots from the sewn threw baffles.
My big issue is I am such a light sleeper (even after copious amouns of booze) that if I wake up even slightly cold I find it hard to get back to sleep.
I have tried out a few 30f down quilts but the hassle of migrating down always bothered me and thats why I use a 20f bag.Sep 7, 2013 at 9:57 pm #2022866
Very good advice Luke, I used a 30f quilt last year down to 20f with appropiate clothing and the drafts pissed me off, that's where I realised I need a 58" wide quilt.Sep 7, 2013 at 10:00 pm #2022867
I think that is the limiting factor. At some point no matter how many clothes you wear you're going to have drafts and cold spots. Once I had money for a warmer quilt I quit using the 50 degree quilt except on summer trips. I'd skimp on clothing instead because I could warm up by hiking.Sep 7, 2013 at 10:02 pm #2022869
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
"My big issue is I am such a light sleeper (even after copious amouns of booze)"
Copious amounts of booze may aid in putting you to sleep, but supposedly alcohol interferes greatly with the quality of sleep. Also, alcohol causes you to vent heat much quicker than you would without it, so you will tend to sleep colder.
After decades of training, I've gotten to the point where I want to consume the least alcohol possible before sleep.
–B.G.–Sep 7, 2013 at 10:07 pm #2022872
I hardly ever drink booze while backpacking, but when car camping at a Music festival it kind of goes with the territory :-)Sep 7, 2013 at 10:10 pm #2022874
Most definitley Luke, its not an exercise to save money as have a WM aplinelite and Puma but more so to see if those clothing items could keep me warm on a summer trip that ended up colder.Sep 7, 2013 at 11:33 pm #2022882
eric chanBPL Member
~40F with the down
~30F with all the tricks … wearing everything including the rain jacket, putting yr feet in yr pack, and a hawt nalgene … you probably wont be too comfortable but youll be fine
;)Sep 8, 2013 at 6:42 am #2022915
I would test it out at varrying temperatures. If the cat is a problem, try going to a campsite where u can bail at any given time if needed. You don't want to caught miles deep in the backcountry at 2 am and find yourself freezing!!!Sep 8, 2013 at 6:56 am #2022918
cheers Eric, the hot water bottle is a great trick indeed.
Hi Joe, if I went to a camp ground I could keep a warner bag in the car.Sep 8, 2013 at 7:09 am #2022921
Richard MayBPL Member
OK, geek question: What's the total loft that you'll have on top of you?
From what I understand, and this is from a guy living in the tropics (so I've got zero cold weather experience), that will give you a pretty 'standard' approximation of how low you can take the setup.
FWIF this is what I was reading to ask the question.
Edit: added the linkSep 8, 2013 at 7:56 am #2022933
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
If you get a little cold, no big deal, next time bring a little more
You can always bring an extra garment and not wear it. If you're fine after a few trips, then you can stop bringing it.Sep 8, 2013 at 8:02 am #2022935
My experience (correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's much easier to push the temperature rating of a 20º bag or so to -10º or 0º using clothing because there's a lot of loft, so you've got kind of a "baseline" of how much warmth you're getting. If I have a way to break the wind, like a tarp or (what I used last night) a bivy, loft goes even further.
However, with 45-55º bags, I don't think it pushes quite as far. There's just so little heat retention that even with clothing, you can't boost it.
YMMV, this is backyard testing theory.Sep 8, 2013 at 8:28 am #2022937
Thinking about it now it will more than likely be below freezing soon enough so
I am better of packing the 20f bag. I had hoped to test out the quilt last weekend but had to cancel
Thanks all for the input, much appreciated.
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