Jul 18, 2013 at 2:32 pm #1305548
Thinking of having my buddy in England order one of the Ion/Moyo's for me and ship it over here, but i'm a bit hesitant. I don't want to start a race war on the trail. You'd think they would know better….
MattJul 18, 2013 at 2:34 pm #2007423
removedJul 18, 2013 at 4:38 pm #2007452
@lunchandynnerLocale: Pacific Northwest
Isn't this why companies hire cultural anthropologists? Also, people with some common sense?Jul 18, 2013 at 5:06 pm #2007460
Does it come in gold?Jul 18, 2013 at 5:15 pm #2007465
I just googled Nigor and was surprised what it came back with.Jul 18, 2013 at 7:59 pm #2007494
Next in golite's new line of packs the "whetbak".
Too far?????Jul 18, 2013 at 8:04 pm #2007495
Yep, a small bit too far.
At least they have not called it the "Paddy" (I am Irish)Jul 18, 2013 at 9:39 pm #2007525
Jeffs ElevenBPL Member
Oh no they di-en!
Just sharpie over the 'n' and it'll be Igor, the hungarian pack
Ok so i don't know where the name 'Igor' is from- hopefully Hungary is close.Jul 19, 2013 at 12:40 pm #2007664
"Next in golite's new line of packs the "whetbak"."
I'm assuming that would be a hydration pack? LOL Awesome…just awesome.
MattJul 19, 2013 at 12:43 pm #2007667
I could give a crap what they call it. I just want one – an ION with side pockets!
Wonder if Golite will bring this back in the US?Jul 19, 2013 at 1:24 pm #2007678
I could bring you one back from Europe in October.Jul 19, 2013 at 1:49 pm #2007686
Oh I forgot that guy in my avatar is my dad my mom is 100% mexican- So im not any more racist than anyone else………….. Just sayinJul 19, 2013 at 5:55 pm #2007734
Oh snap, Stephen! I think I will take you up on that offer!Jul 19, 2013 at 6:21 pm #2007739
Good stuff Dave, might get one for myself also.Jul 19, 2013 at 7:14 pm #2007759
It is probably pronounced to rhyme with 'tiger'.
Well, to rhyme, I guess it would be 'tigor'.
It takes two G's for the 'ihg' sound.
Trigger or Tigger or chigger or whatever.
Still, I don't think explaining that would get you far if someone wanted to relieve boredom by starting a conversation.
Maybe pencil in FALLS under the NIGOR.
Tell them it is a company owned by phonetically spelling rednecks and named for a tourist attraction near Buffalo.
PS – I too would have pronounced it to rhyme with 'trigger'. Just the last year or so I have been exposed to more British pronunciations.
I am really left wondering why we, Americans, pronounce some words the way we do. The British pronunciation sounds odd but, compared to other, similarly spelled words, it is consistent. Our odd words here and there buck the system…
Anyway, for this reason, I bet it is nie-gore like… well, I can't think of a similar word.. I can only think of Nigerian.Jul 19, 2013 at 7:57 pm #2007769
Franco DarioliBPL Member
for Jeffs Eleven :
Jul 19, 2013 at 9:16 pm #2007781
Miguel ArboledaBPL Member
@butukiLocale: Kanto Plain, Japan
God, sometimes listening to you guys is like listening to people who've never been outside their backyard.
Though not surprising that the EU is tone-deaf on this one…
What?!? "Not surprising"? Where in the world did you come up with that one? First off, contemporary Europe is just as conscious about race issues as America is, and just as actively addressing it. Believe it or not, Europe has a very big black population, with enormous numbers of Africans who have arrived and are still arriving from the south. Whatever idea you may have of Europe is way out of date, on exactly the same timeline as that of the States.
Second, this is a European word, a name of a Netherlands based product being sold in Europe, and is pronounced like, "knee gore". It has absolutely no relationship to the English word, nor is it pronounced the way Americans tend to pronounce things.
Third, the word "nigger" is most strongly an American word, with its connotation and history mostly centered within the States itself. This product's name simply won't have the same misunderstanding, impact, and outrage that it would have in the States, especially among non-English speakers, especially since the word for the color black is very often things like "negro" or "nero" in European languages. As an African-American with both European citizenship and background, my first reaction, when reading the name on the German site, was, "Cool name. I wonder what it means?" I didn't associate it with any of the connotations in the States.
Most of the world doesn't speak English, you know.
And it's not as if American companies think much beyond their borders, either. Selling a car called "Nova" in a Spanish-speaking country was not exactly the best idea ever thought up.Jul 19, 2013 at 11:55 pm #2007796
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
Thanks, Miguel. Good post.Jul 20, 2013 at 5:22 am #2007805
Jennifer MitolBPL Member
@jenmitolLocale: In my dreams....
I actually LOVE the Nova story. Cracks me up every time I think about it ;)
And yes, very good post.Jul 20, 2013 at 6:09 am #2007811
"God, sometimes listening to you guys is like listening to people who've never been outside their backyard."
Most probably haven't been
I don't think anyone here other than Mr. Perry would have started this thread.Jul 20, 2013 at 8:14 am #2007830
"I don't think anyone here other than Mr. Perry would have started this thread."
(sigh)….Here we go, again………
MattJul 20, 2013 at 8:31 am #2007834
Just seeing if you were paying attention. Good Morning Matthew!Jul 20, 2013 at 9:10 am #2007840
george carrBPL Member
@hammer-oneLocale: Walking With The Son
"I actually LOVE the Nova story. Cracks me up every time I think about it ;)"Jul 20, 2013 at 9:55 am #2007847
Matt DirksenBPL Member
@namelesswayLocale: Mid Atlantic
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences, Miguel.
I, too, was thinking of the "corporate unconsciousness" that created the Nova fiasco for Chevy. However, unlike that particular situation, and as you have indicated, the N word has very deep and very negative historical roots in the US. (I, like many of the gen-x population here, probably don't have to go far in our family tree where that word was actively used or spoken to). Coincidentally, I heard Obama just spoke about our country's race relations yesterday in an unannounced speech. I didn't get to hear it, but I understand it was quite powerful, and quite relevant to the issues at-hand.)
Therefore, in my opinion, agree with you that the US and Europe are as equally conscious AND UNCONSCIOUS, when it comes to race. However, I very much see this as just another example of corporate unconsciousness and irresponsibility. I believe that creating and naming a product which can easily be miss-construded to represent one of the most offensive words in American culture, is highly disrespectful, at the minimum, even if the pack is never intended to be sold in the States.
This reminds me of a man I once knew who recently passed away. He was an extraordinarily sweet, gentile, and deeply spiritual person. Due to a series of powerful visions he had experienced in the 60's, he had committed himself to the mission to reclaim the ancient symbol of the swastika.
In case you are interested I just found this page about him: http://www.vice.com/read/manwoman-is-taking-back-the-swastika
Anyway, I suspect that the reason I share this is because I have witnessed first-hand the visceral impact that jewish men have experienced just looking at this man without his shirt on, regardless of his sincerity of intentions. For some of them; to simply look at a man covered in an ancient symbol which the Nazi's hijacked and used to their gain was FAR too much to for them bear, both personally, and inter-personally. In my wife's family (Filipino) , we have are elders in her family who wont even look upon Japanese men to this day, due to the indescribable trauma they had experienced by Japanese soldiers as children in the WWII concentration camps.
Like the swastika, I believe it may take many many MANY more generations before the N word may not have the same cultural impact that it still has. And due to the interconnected world that we live in, if I were an international company, it would be in my best interest to pay very close attention to this. I don't foresee any protests and riots over this one, but I can assure I already have friends who will say to me "There goes another one…"
all the best,
MattJul 20, 2013 at 10:32 am #2007850
Eugene SmithBPL Member
@eugeneiusLocale: Nuevo Mexico
*Ba dum tssshh
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