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Hard Shell wetting out?

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PostedJun 7, 2013 at 3:56 pm

I have a shell from EMS that I bought in about 2007/2008. It hasn't gotten much use in the field as I've only recently started going on backpacking trips, mostly just rainy day use. It has not delaminated that I know (no flaking or anything), and otherwise looks great.

Today while working in NJ, I was back and forth frequently between a large tent/pavilion and a building over the course of 6 hours. After a few hours, and maybe only 30 minutes of actual contact with rain, I noticed it was starting to wet out on top of the shoulders.

What gives? Should I have sealed the seams on the jacket? I'm assuming it has a DWR coating, would that possibly just need to be refreshed?

Thanks for any insight

PostedJun 7, 2013 at 6:23 pm

Note Wetting out only refers rain sticking to the outside fabric of the jacket. Wetting out does not refer to water getting through the jacke and getting you wet. If rain gets through the jacket and you get wet that is a leak.

You probably just need to reappply a DWR coating. The shoulders thend to get a lot of friction from the backpack straps. So the DWR tends to fail first at the shoulders.

Should I have sealed the seams on the jacket?Did rain get through the jacket in the corners?

If so the jacket is leaking. Most jackets today are tape sealed so seam sealing is generally not need. Just look for Tape over the seams on the inside of the jacket. If the tape is pealing or cracking any leaks can be fixed by seam sealing.

PostedJun 7, 2013 at 7:37 pm

Mark,
I've had similar experiences when buying less than top rate shells because I liked the design. LL Bean produces reasonably good stuff, but I bought a shell from them for its longer length and other reasons, and it totally wetted out after two days of a three month trek. Fortunately, it was from Beans, and they later gave me a refund, but the shell had to be replaced on the fly – a major inconvenience.

Come to think, there is a shell in the closet from EMS that looked super, but turned out to have virtually no DWR. Liked the design so much, that I kept it, hoping someday a really good aftermarket DWR treatment would become available. The shell is now obsolete, and just taking up space.

A WPB shell cannot transmit vapor if the outer shell is totally wetted out. So even assuming that the rain cannot get in, which is often said on these threads but seldom proven, your own perspiration will soak you if you perspire like most people (OK, there are some who claim to be able to comfortably wear coated WP shells). And if it is one of those very thin shells, you will feel drenched, even if water is not coming through, and will not receive the protection from hypothermia that is a main objective of a rain shell.

There are excellent reviews on this site of many shells that have come out in the last year or so. Including some that surprised me, like a reviewer's experience with the Montagne eVent Spectre, when I had assumed that anything made of eVent must be top notch. I have found these reviews, combined with good past experiences with some companies, like Patagonia, have led me to products with WPB that really worked and kept me dry. For those like me who cannot afford list prices for top rate shells, patient waiting for sales seems to be the most fruitful approach. Good luck to you in finding in good shell.

Ken Thompson BPL Member
PostedJun 7, 2013 at 7:43 pm

My brand new Patagucci Torrentshell jacket wetted out after 45 minutes on it's first outing. Say no to anything they are making using the H2Go fabric. Worthless. Sounds like your DWR needs a refresh.

PostedJun 8, 2013 at 1:18 am

If you don't find any leaks, then it's a few hours/dollars to wash it and treat with reproofer. Might as well try it and see if it works.

If it doesn't, the rest of the bottle of reproofer will get you through a few years with the replacement jacket…

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedJun 8, 2013 at 1:51 am

Wash it in proper Sports Wash, NOT!! laudry detergent, then apply a good fluoropolymer DWR per label.
Atko brand for both is good.

Cheers

PostedJun 8, 2013 at 5:27 am

Thanks for all the replies. The jacket is essentially brand new, so I'd hate to buy another. I will definitely be looking into DWR treatments to see if I can make it last.

Worst case scenario I get to buy new gear and save some ounces…could be worse I suppose, haha!

PostedJun 8, 2013 at 7:38 pm

"My brand new Patagucci Torrentshell jacket wetted out after 45 minutes on it's first outing."

Ken, that comes as a surprise after such good experiences with a Specter rainshells.
They tout their "Deluge" DWR treatment, but I had never considered a Torrentshell due to the weight. Was going to buy the lighter new M10 later this year, but your experience gives me pause. Thanks for relating your experience with this product.

Hope you got a refund. Sounds like extreme diligence is required in replacing rain shells. I wonder if the quality issues with once reliable products have anything to do with the places of Asian manufacture. Discouraging, but we're probably better off knowing what to expect.

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