Jun 4, 2013 at 5:03 pm #1303791
Radio just said that R.E.I. will be changing their return policy to 1 year, receipt required. Too many abuses.
kJun 4, 2013 at 5:15 pm #1993346
ha i'm late to the party. Found this info in another thread!Jun 4, 2013 at 8:25 pm #1993404
@ouzelLocale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
"Radio just said that R.E.I. will be changing their return policy to 1 year, receipt required. Too many abuses."
It was the lead article on the front page of the Seattle Times this morning. That is about as official as it gets. :)Jun 5, 2013 at 11:10 am #1993594
@eagleriverdeeLocale: Eagle River, Alaska
One of the news sites in Alaska is blaming it specifically on climbers that buy gear from REI to climb Denali and then return it after their expedition.
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130604/reis-legendary-return-it-whenever-policy-revisedJun 5, 2013 at 11:50 am #1993609
My wife and I have spent about 1000$ on REI branded backpacking gear in the last year which was advertsied as having a lifetime warranty, this is the same terms offered by Feathered Friends, Outdoor Reseach and Eddie Bauer.
When buying this kit we where not sure the kit would last but the store clerk told us "you have nothing to worry about because of the lifetime warranty."
I have a good mind to return all the kit get my money back and shop elsewhere.
Am I overeacting, after all REI have moved the Goal Posts on me.Jun 5, 2013 at 12:10 pm #1993615
@ken_bennettLocale: southeastern usa
There is a difference between a lifetime warranty, and a lifetime no-questions-asked return policy. REI has always had the latter, and people take advantage of it by thoroughly trashing and using up gear for several years, then returning it for a full refund.
Now REI will have a 1-year no-questions-asked refund policy that does not cover ordinary wear and tear. This seems perfectly reasonable to me. This does not change their warranty on defective gear ("if your item has a manufacturing defect in its materials or workmanship, you can return it at any time.")
So yes, you are overreacting.Jun 5, 2013 at 12:23 pm #1993618
so if my Rei pack falls apart after 1 year (not due wear and tear) they will fix/replace it?Jun 5, 2013 at 12:35 pm #1993622
…Jun 5, 2013 at 1:06 pm #1993631
I understand the abuse thing and the intent of the change. However, my experience says that the warranty will transition from defects in materials and workmanship to everything being attributed to wear & tear and therefore, not covered.Jun 5, 2013 at 1:10 pm #1993633
I just spoke to them and was told I could still exchange things older than 1 year but to do so soon.Jun 6, 2013 at 10:51 am #1993961
@snapyjohnLocale: Pacific NW
Prior to anouncement of "return policy changes" they announced a national garage sale June 8. I think they were exptecting an avalanche of returns. This might be the mother of all garage sales.
I think the new policy will change nothing. The abusers will do it under the confines of the policy. Can you buy an item then use it for two years then buy same item and use that reciept to return it? The bad eggs will still abuse the system. the head scratcher is the outlet limiting returns to 30 days. This one will limit my purchases dramaticly. The point of an outlett is to sell out of season overstocks and the like. If you buy your winter gear in the summer you wont have time to use it before your stuck with it. Most of REI's competition are way more generous with their outlets return policy.
What REI should have done is limit lifetime satisfaction to members. if you abuse the system you get a warning and the next time they refund your membership. I also think they should have retained lifetime for the REI branded merch where they have a larger prophit margine to keep people buying in house. It is what it is. Will Backcountry, Moosejaw, Campsaver, Campmor, EMS,…… follow suit? If the idea was to cut out abuse and stop preditory shoppers I think they will find it failed.Jun 6, 2013 at 11:42 am #1993979
"The policy doesn't bother me, however I do not see this policy change fixing the root cause of abuse returns."
Doesn't bother me either, but I think it will stop one kind of "abuse", which is people cleaning out their gear closet and deciding to return a bunch of stuff they used only a couple times in previous seasons.
Unfortunately, I think for people like me, it might actually encourage more frequent returns. As I didn't feel comfortable returning stuff if I kept it more than a couple months. By telling me I have up to a year, I could see it changing my psychology and becoming more emboldened to return gear I'm not totally happy with. Although, there isn't a lot I want from REI anymore outside of food, fuel and maps.Jun 6, 2013 at 4:11 pm #1994063
@ken_bennettLocale: southeastern usa
"so if my Rei pack falls apart after 1 year (not due wear and tear) they will fix/replace it?"
that's what their new policy states. YMMV. I don't represent REI in the slightest so you'd have to ask them.Aug 20, 2013 at 3:38 pm #2017001
@tracedefLocale: Southern California
I've seen a huge change in attitude regarding returns while in line to exchange items or make returns myself …. more like a typical store, where the customer is having to fight to justify returns that, imo, are legit returns …. I've found myself less inclined to pay the higher prices, especially when I can get something via Amazon and have it shipped in two days via Amazon Prime …. a big part of why I pay a premium at REI is no longer there … so I'm finding I am less willing to pay that premium and shopping online a LOT more ….Aug 20, 2013 at 6:53 pm #2017053
The only thing I've returned to REI in 40 years was a travel toothbrush, 30 years ago, that melted in my glovebox in the car. The clerk told me that I shouldn't have left it in a hot location. I still had the packaging and pointed out that it said nothing about any storage temperature limits. It seemed pretty petty on a $4.95 item, which the clerk did eventually replace (Berkeley store).
I was impressed the first time I was at REI as a 15-year-old Boy Scout thinking I needed really heavy, expensive boots for a week-long backpacking trip. The guy in the shoe department suggested a lighter, less expensive (but still heavy) Raichle boot and it impressed me that he suggested the less expensive item. Much later, I realized that the salespeople weren't on commission.
I still like the cooperative model. I like the 10% back each year.
I don't like that there are no real democratic elections in the cooperative. When was the last time you saw a contrary candidate running for the board? That is likely contrary to IRS regulations for cooperative (says the electric cooperative Director). Only board-nominated candidates are put before the membership, and they are high-level finance and legal types, which yes, keep them on a even keel and financially solvent, but also risks not engaging and targeting typical members.
There was a time when they gave the weights of all gear. They longer do.
While they still are primarily about muscle-powered sports, they do sell alpine skis which 99.92% of skiers use on 500-hp ski lifts – hardly a muscle-powered activity.Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 pm #2017091
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
"The only thing I've returned to REI in 40 years was a travel toothbrush, 30 years ago, that melted in my glovebox in the car."
My REI membership number has 6 digits. I didn't even know about the lifetime return policy until I joined BPL. Only things I ever return are clothing gifts that are the wrong size, and I just exchange them.Aug 20, 2013 at 8:05 pm #2017094
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
"My REI membership number has 6 digits."
The REI cashier always starts to tell me that my number has the wrong number of digits. Then the other REI cashier is dyslexic and interchanges the digits that I say.
I only learned about the lifetime policy about ten years ago when I had two friends working there. I don't think that I have ever returned anything to REI.
–B.G.–Aug 20, 2013 at 8:21 pm #2017101
>"My REI membership number has 6 digits."
Mine is 564577. From 1977
But Bob's is probably in the very low 6 digits. Like Lot, Aaron, and Moses.Aug 20, 2013 at 8:48 pm #2017115
@b-g-2-2Locale: Silicon Valley
Mine is slightly higher, from May 1977.
–B.G.–Aug 20, 2013 at 9:21 pm #2017138
You two must be quite young. My number, from 1973, is 352569. That's quite a few new members in just 4 years since I got mine. Of course, that's about the time that John Denver released his "Rocky Mountain High," which drove all sorts of wannabee hippie mountain types to them thar hills. What do you suppose the highest BPL REI number is today–maybe 3 millon+? Any takers on that?Aug 20, 2013 at 9:28 pm #2017141
"My number, from 1973, is 352569."
Wow, you guys are fricking old. Was the world black and white back then? :-)Aug 20, 2013 at 9:38 pm #2017146
Nah, Doug, we were into The McGuire Sisters, The Lone Ranger, Sgt. Preston of the Yukon, Ed Sullivan, James Dean, and Elvis–all in black and white of course (or AM radio before TV came to town). But we ain't "frickin' old," no way. Well, maybe David and Bob are. But I got my REI card when I was just 10 years old, or maybe when I was 7, I forget.Aug 20, 2013 at 9:40 pm #2017148
>"Wow, you guys are fricking old. Was the world black and white back then? :-)"
Our tarps were bear skins and we used flint and iron pyrite, not mini-Bics.
But there was a 100% return policy on the iron pyrite.Aug 20, 2013 at 10:07 pm #2017167
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
"Mine is 564577"
Just enough information to steal your identity and buy a Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Super Sport using your credit.Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 pm #2017168
What do you suppose the highest BPL REI number is today–maybe 3 millon+? Any takers on that?
Googling the topic turned a blog survey with the >5,000,000 category having a number of votes and a poster reporting 8,8XX,XXX having joined "2 or 3 years ago".
Edited to add: Nick, I think you most you could get with my number is maybe a $16 annual rebate.
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