May 25, 2013 at 7:20 am #1303372
Justin NelsonBPL Member
@jnelson871Locale: CA Bay Area
Greetings everyone. Here is my most recent 3 season gear list. The last couple of seasons I have moved to hammocks and not looked back. Been working like crazy to get my pack weight as close as possible to SUL but have not quite gotten down to my old ground weight. Would love to hear everyone’s feedback and ideas. All weights are from my scale.
GG Murmmer Hyperlite Pack 9.38 oz
JRB Torso Pad (Dbls as pack frame) 3.75 oz
Sil Pack Liner 1.88 oz
Darien UL Hammock w/ 6' tree straps 14.00 oz
ZPacks Asym Hammock tarp and ridge line 4.63 oz
2 Stakes (1 Ruta Loca Carbon/1 snow) 0.75 oz
Yeti 2/3 UQ 11.75 oz
HG 20* TQ 21.63 oz
Flex Air Pillow LG 0.88 oz
1st aid/repair kit 2.00 oz
Sunscreen/toothbrush/earplugs 0.50 oz
Petzel e+ Headlamp 1.00 oz
Aquamira 1.25 oz
Hand Sanitizer 0.25 oz
Dr. Bronner 0.63 oz
Deet 0.25 oz
Cuben Stuff Sack for misc. 0.25 oz
Bug Head Net 0.38 oz
2 Arrow Head Bottles (=1L Cap. Tot) 0.75 oz
2L Platy (usually empty) 1.25 oz many places I go water can be scarce. Use to collect for dinner and breakfast)
Odour Proof Bag 1.50 oz
Cozy 1.25 oz
Lexan Spoon 0.38 oz
GVP Cook Kit and mini Bic 4.00 oz
Either ZPzcks BC Rain Jacket 5.00 oz
Montbell Tachon Jacket if no rain 1.60 oz
Zpacks Cloud Kilt 1.50 oz
Montbell Dynamo Wind Pants 2.60 oz
Black Rock Gear Down Vest 4.38 oz
Black Rock Gear Down Hat 0.75 oz
Possum Down Gloves 1.25 oz
Possum Down Socks for Sleeping 2.75 oz
Dirty Girl Gaiters 1.10 oz
Total:101.02 oz or 6.31 lbs with Rain Gear
Total:98.72 oz or 6.17 if not rain and brining wind gear (some of the places I go you know if there is not going to be rain)
Looking forward to your comments, questions, and criticisms!May 25, 2013 at 4:35 pm #1989718
Katharina LångstrumpBPL Member
@kat_pLocale: Pacific Coast
What a great lightweight list! The good sleep per ounce of weight ratio must be quite good.
The only thing that I noticed and might look at is your top and under insulation. This is coming from a very cold sleeper, mind you..
You have a 2/3 Yeti at 11.75 ounces and a HG top quilt at 21.63 ounces. Total of 33.38, without a calculator.
The top quilt is rated at 20, but your underquilt would definitively not take me down to those temps. If you are a warm sleeper, then you could go lighter on your top quilt and save a few ounces. If you sleep cold I would get a warmer, longer underquilt and something lighter on top.
My preference is a very warm, full length underquilt like the 20 degree Incubator, which was made at a custom length of 70 inches and weighs just under 20 ounces. This underquilt not only covers me ( under) from head to toe plus a bit more , but it is wide enough to come up the sides and allows me to barely need any top insulation. I bring along a 30 degree Nunatac Arc Specialist at 16 ounces, or a cuben quilt at 14. I could go even lower on my top quilt and do well.
Like I said, this is me, a cold sleeper, and I am also small enough that underquilts come up my sides quite a bit and allow me to almost forgo the top insulation.
You have some beautiful items on your list though!!May 25, 2013 at 6:50 pm #1989744
Ken T.BPL Member
Pretty solid list like Kat says. I would too look at a lighter top quilt option . Especially with the down vest and hat. But very respectable weight as is. I doubt that once you add in food and water that you would notice any weight savings at the weight you are now. I can't tell the difference between an eight pound pack or a ten pound pack on my back.May 26, 2013 at 12:24 am #1989808
Justin NelsonBPL Member
@jnelson871Locale: CA Bay Area
Thanks everyone. I do need to find a lighter TQ. I have a full length HG UQ I have used in the past but am trying to reduce my pack volume with the Yeti and leg pad since I already use the pad for a pack frame. Maybe a summer TQ. Any suggestions on some good light weight options?May 27, 2013 at 9:49 pm #1990302
Ryan BegermanBPL Member
I am pretty sure by Hammock standards you are at SUL.
I guess you could drop a couple ounces if you switch to a lighter hammock and just use your headnet instead of the enclosed hammock, but I probably wouldn't.May 27, 2013 at 10:00 pm #1990303
Ken T.BPL Member
What about a wearable quilt for the top and skip the vest?
Why are the gaiters listed? Don't wear them all the time?Jun 5, 2013 at 7:28 am #1993508
Bryce F.BPL Member
@bster13Locale: Norwalk, CT
For hammock SUL, I'd move to a Grand Trunk Nano 7 and cut off the storage pouch it comes with. I'd use Amsteel (dyneema even better if you are relatively light) for the suspension and put stick around the tree to protect the bark. I also just use a marlin spike hitch to join the hammock to the suspension and make sure the stick I use is stout. That's as light as I've figure out how to go with the hammock.
Not sure what the 2 stakes are for, but in the NE I do not carry them, I use sticks.
During 40F+ weather, I use a 26in wide foam pad. I find foam pads to give me more warmth for the weight, but at the expense of volume in the pack. We have the same pack, and no joke it is a challenge, but I'm able to do it when going SUL.
I don't carry a pillow. Maybe it's the angle of the hammock pitch, but I guess I don't need one, maybe u don't either?
Is a trash compactor bag lighter than a sil pack liner? A nylofune bag definitely is.
Swap Aquamira for chlorine dioxide tablets. Same effect, less weight.
Swap Photon Micro-light (heck two of them, one for backup) with your headlamp if hiking primarily during the day.
I don't carry soap or sanitizer. If I had a cut, I'd use small alcohol pads in my kit.
I use a 2l Platy with an inline sawyer filter. I no longer need to wait to treat my water, nor carry water while I wait for it to be treated. Water weighs a lot! If water is scarce in your parts, maybe rock a 3l platy instead and you can then drop the 2 x 1l arrowhead bottles.
Odor proof bags don't really work according to BPL articles. I jsut use zip lock bags for small stuff that I want to keep dry, then an old sil stuff sack for a sleeping bag for my food stores.
I don't carry a pot cozy because I am a freezer bag kind of guy. Just fill the freezer bag with boiling water and put the bag under the insulation I am wearing.
I don't carry deet. I wear long sleeves all year long and use permethrin prior to the trip, though during black fly season a head net may be needed.
For a spoon I went to Carvel and bought some ice cream then grabbed a bunch of their long handled plastic spoons. Lighter, free, and long handled. Actually with the freezer bag cooking I am considering dropping the spoon as I really don't need it. Just tip the freezer bag up and drink my dinner.
Swap the possum down socks for goosefeet socks, warmer and lighter.
I wear long pants so no need for gaitors, at least in the NE.
Just my opinions… definitely as we go lighter we may be paying for it in convenience and time. GL!Jun 5, 2013 at 10:16 am #1993571
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
Nice kit! You have it whittled down nicely and you understand the sleeping insulation options.
I'm liking those Darien hammocks a lot. You can always find a lighter hammock, but you need the length and the bug net for a good comfortable rig. As you have found out, the weight is in the other stuff that goes with a hammock– the tap, UQ, and TQ and you have some great choices there.
The TQ issue you are having is the same anyone does with a ground kit. I don't see any cure for sleeping insulation weight than having multiple quilts or bags. If I had to pick a 3-season temperature range, 20f is it. Summer bags can be light stuff, but good for a 60-90 day window.
Can you use your down vest for a pillow? I don't need much in a hammock.
Also, do you use your torso length pad from uour pack under your feet and lower legs? It is a great way to extend a 3/4 UQ. I use my sit pad under my feet. Having that pad leaves you a good " go to ground" option too. Add a polycryo ground sheet and you can camp anywhere.Jun 5, 2013 at 10:26 am #1993575
seth mcalisterBPL Member
@sethmcalisterLocale: New Hampshire
I just had Te-Wa make me a custom Breeze (40*) using M50. Total weight (after I took off the asym loop and replaced the mitten hooks with with the Dutchware quilt clips) is 232g (8.2 oz). Takes me down to 40* so far pretty comfortably with a foot pad.
While I use the GT Nano-7, the trouble would be bugnetting. My hammock setup, with the BIAS Buginator is 14.58 oz. If I were to MYOG a tulle bugnet I would most likely be around 11.5 oz.
You could easily pick up the Nano and use the suspension setup off your Darien – it's essentially what I am using, Dynaglide UCRs, Dutch Clips, Whoopie Hooks and continous loops (I need to make them out of dynaglide though).Jun 5, 2013 at 9:32 pm #1993767
I can't speak to the hammock gear, but I were looking to trim every available ounce elsewhere:
GG Murmmer Hyperlite Pack 9.38 oz – Zpacks Zero with shoulder strap bottle straps would save you 3.5 ounces
Sil Pack Liner 1.88 oz – Nylofume, save .88oz
1st aid/repair kit 2.00 oz – trim to 1oz
Aquamira 1.25 oz, Hand Sanitizer 0.25 oz ,Dr. Bronner 0.63 oz, Deet 0.25 oz – if you ration these right they are consumables, so I only count the weight of the bottles (appx 1oz)
Bug Head Net 0.38 oz – I keep mine in my pocket for rapid deployment so I don't count it in base weight
Odour Proof Bag 1.50 oz – ditch this or swap out for .6oz of line/carabiner
Cozy 1.25 oz – use down hat
GVP Cook Kit and mini Bic 4.00 oz – There are several systems that can cut this by 1.5 or more ounces. Mine is about 2.4 ounces without the spoon, and a pot stand can be swapped for the ti stakes, recommend QuiWiz's:
Possum Down Socks for Sleeping 2.75 oz – lighter version?
Dirty Girl Gaiters 1.10 oz – worn item?
This would reduce base weight 12.5 ounces at least
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