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    spelt with a t
    BPL Member

    @spelt

    Locale: Rangeley, ME

    Serious question; not intended to stir the pot. It's single most popular hike among people here, at least if you go by the number of threads about planning for it. Then there're the threads about how crowded it is, which seems to confirm its overall popularity outside of BPL members. Why is this a bucket list hike?

    #1983394
    Paul Magnanti
    BPL Member

    @paulmags

    Locale: Colorado Plateau

    Probably because mile for mile, it is the (more than likely) most scenic *ON TRAIL* long-distance hike you can do with relatively easy logistics, is well marked/defined, lots of resources for planning, etc.

    Factor in that it is "only" 200 miles and it is a thru-hike many people can do with their hard earned vacation time (esp if you have a boss that does not think a one week trip is long. :) )

    The Wonderland Trail would be a close rival for similar reasons, but the JMT has a historic cachet that the Wonderland Trail does not have. The Collegiate Loop (CT/CDT) here in Colorado is, IMO, a similar type of hike for the average person but I'll admit that is not going to have the sheer amount of scenery and "awe factor" of the JMT.

    That's just my .05 worth.

    Until I get in a better position in terms of my long term career goals, my bucket list hike is the SHR..the JMT on steroids, but probably not a trip the typical backpacker may enjoy. :)

    #1983396
    Jay Wilkerson
    BPL Member

    @creachen

    Locale: East Bay

    The entire hike from start to end is simply spectacular! There is not a bad section.

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    #1983400
    spelt with a t
    BPL Member

    @spelt

    Locale: Rangeley, ME

    That is pretty spectacular scenery, I have to admit.

    #1983409
    Art …
    BPL Member

    @asandh

    … and crowded is relative to your expectations and desires.
    there are a few areas along the trail near major access points where day hikers make it somewhat crowded (Whitney, Yosemite, Reds Meadow) but aside from these you can often go 2 hours or more without seeing a soul. not solitary I admit, but what's wrong with a kindred spirit now and then.

    #1983412
    Bob Bankhead
    BPL Member

    @wandering_bob

    Locale: Oregon, USA

    The JMT is a mosquito-ridden dust-slog up incredibly steep slopes covered with little ball bearings disguised as pebbles. If you do survive to reach the pass, all you can see is more rock. Savage bears, sneaky marmots, and silent rattlesnakes lurk nearby, just waiting for your first, inevitable stupid move. The abundant deer (see "hunters" below) and grouse are their scouts, sent to locate potential prey.

    beware

    Most water crossings are readily and preferably swimmable; packrafts are optional.

    yipe

    Escape routes are almost as bad and take at least 2 days, being their own mini-versions of the JMT tread. Did I mention the rampant hunters that stalk the woods, desperately seeking something at which to fire their new rifles?

    Resupply options are almost non-existent since the outrageously overpriced horsepacking outfits have bought up and closed most local roads – of which there are pitifully few – and towns, which they use to shelter the stuff they rake out of their horse barns.

    Yosemite Valley? It's a tourista trap – lots of loud kids and rude parents in shorts and Hawaiian shirts packing 20 pounds of camera gear they have no idea how to use. Concessionaire price shock is the #2 cause of sudden death in the Valley, second only to being run over by shuttle buses driven by under-paid, legally blind, former NASCAR drivers.

    Mt Whitney? Yes, it is the highest point in the lower 48 states – that part is true. What they don't tell you is that Sir Edmund Hillary decided Everest was an easier and safer climb. The only rangers that go there are the ones being punished by their superiors for morality reasons. Forget the ice axe and crampons; bring oxygen tanks – lots of them…..and be sure your life insurance premiums are paid in full.

    Decades ago, the western states decided that it's cheaper to just drop their convicted psychopaths and serial killers in the middle of the wilderness and let nature take its course. If they're innocent, they will survive, if not………… Unfortunately, a few have proven stronger than the local wildlife and even the Grizzlies and rattlesnakes turn and run.

    Be smart – stay away. Better yet, stay east of the Rocky Mountains. This is the REAL wilderness out here.

    bigfoot

    The rest of you posters, STOP pontificating; let's keep our secret to ourselves. We don't need no stinking east-coast hikers.

    I'm told the Long Trail is nice … and it's local. Hike on!

    Wandering Bob

    #1983415
    Jerry Adams
    BPL Member

    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    You didn't mention the elevation – it'll make you sick…

    #1983506
    Charles Grier
    BPL Member

    @rincon

    Locale: Desert Southwest

    You forgot to mention the hordes of Mosquitos, many of which carry diseases such as meningitis. Also, the bears along the JMT are smarter, and hungrier, than the average human. Oh, I forgot to mention that the fleas on most of the chipmunks are known to harbor plague and the sheep ticks are big enough to cut steaks from. Not a nice place at all, I recommend you consider Big Bend Park for your summer outing.

    #1983513
    Ian
    BPL Member

    @10-7

    You had me at plague. JMT 2014 for this kid!

    #1983520
    Justin Baker
    BPL Member

    @justin_baker

    Locale: Santa Rosa, CA

    I've heard that 75% of JMT hikers develop skin cancer within a year of hiking.

    #1983521
    Cayenne Redmonk
    BPL Member

    @redmonk

    Locale: Greater California Ecosystem

    I remember the old days fighting in tehipite valley a couple dozen or so decades ago. Those were wild times. Back then we liked the JMT area because it was safe. I think that is why it remains popular today. Further south is hot and dry, too easy to make a mistake and become dead. Go east, and the buffalo could end your life in a stampede. West was a smoke filled valley, and North was where the wild things were. Wolves, grizzly bear, Sasquatch, and worse wandered those forests.

    Indeed, dispite all the horrors, it remains the safest place in California. Of course a buffalo stampede isn't a concern anymore, but I still have nightmares.

    –G.B.–

    #1983526
    Ken Thompson
    BPL Member

    @here

    Locale: Right there

    Most BPLrs live in the Bay Area. They are lazy and the JMT is close by. There is nobody selling ice cream on the JMT. That alone is reason the do the Tahoe Rim Trail instead.

    #1983528
    Cayenne Redmonk
    BPL Member

    @redmonk

    Locale: Greater California Ecosystem

    They have ice cream at three locations on the JMT now !

    #1983535
    Mark Verber
    BPL Member

    @verber

    Locale: San Francisco Bay Area

    Most of the comments here made me smile. My strait answer would have been pretty much what Paul said plus the observation made by Ken about it being close to the bay area.

    on the reasons to avoid the JMT… hantavirus killed a number of people who visited Yosemite last year

    minor nit with Ken… Tahoe Rim does have been eats (including ice cream) just off trail, but there are a number of places I purchased ice cream when doing the JMT. I won't say it was great ice cream… but it tasted pretty darn good to me.

    –Mark

    #1983545
    Paul Wagner
    BPL Member

    @balzaccom

    Locale: Wine Country

    Actually, the Hanta Virus stuff was in Yosemite Valley—not strictly part of the JMT.

    Besides all of the above, where else can you hike a trail named in honor of America's greatest conservationist?

    #1983551
    Peter Bakwin
    BPL Member

    @pbakwin

    I don't think anyone mentioned: 222 miles & does not cross a road.
    PB (JMT '00, '03, '12)

    #1983574
    Eric Blumensaadt
    BPL Member

    @danepacker

    Locale: Mojave Desert

    I've never hiked the JMT (yet) but I've done the AT in much of Virginia and parts of Pennsylvania. I did NOT like the people experience, especially at the designated AT shelters. Much too crowded.

    The JMT, from talking to people who have done it and seing their photos, appears to be much less populated overall.

    As for wildlife, I've backpacked from White Wolf up the Toulmne Creek to the Meadow and found it very tolerable, crowd wise. The JMT, IMHO, could not be much worse unless one gets unlucky in their timing.

    #1983598
    Nathan Hays
    Member

    @oroambulant

    Locale: San Francisco

    If you do decide to hike the JMT, please stay in the right lane. Nothing is more annoying than side-by-side chattering tourists blocking those of us who have a bus to catch.

    #1983610
    Paul Wagner
    BPL Member

    @balzaccom

    Locale: Wine Country

    LOL. Great line.

    I do remember hiking down from Garnet Lake towards the Minarets and being passed by a guy who was clearly on a mission to catch a bus. At one point, the trail switchbacks down a ridge, and there is a STUNNING view of the Minarets above you.

    This was right where he passed me, and he never even looked up. He was too worried about catching the bus.

    Funny part is, we passed him later that afternoon, as he was taking a break to soak his feet in a creek.

    WE pumped water (upstream from his feet!) But didn't chat much. WE figured that we didn't have that much to talk about, since he had missed most of the views on the hike!

    #1983637
    Nathan Hays
    Member

    @oroambulant

    Locale: San Francisco

    PW – Here I am being funny, but I'm hiking the JMT twice this year, SOBO in July at a leisurely pace over 16 days, then if I haven't come to my senses, I'll go NOBO in September trying for 5 days. I know the view you're talking about. My plan is to hike over Donohue before dawn so I'll see it in the early morning light after 4 hours or so.

    I actually don't like having my nose to the dirt when I'm hiking fast. But it is a uniquely rewarding state of mind when you are moving fast and glowing on a long day, having to pay attention to the twists and turns, but all the while quite aware of the expanse around, the looming mountains, and one's place in the larger topography.

    I absolutely love hiking at odd times, no cooking, no washing, no tent, no slow waking, stuffing, packing … just move and take a break later. Crisp and cold at 3 am, slicing through absolute stillness and all alone. It feels much more like I'm not on the home schedule. It's taken a long time to shed the 'backpacking' version of home life, but what a difference.

    #1983954
    Paul Magnanti
    BPL Member

    @paulmags

    Locale: Colorado Plateau

    High Sierra: A Journey on the John Muir Trail
    http://video.unctv.org/video/2312532075/

    Enjoy…

    #1984004
    Pete Staehling
    BPL Member

    @staehpj1

    Thanks for that link! As if I wasn't psyched enough about my summer JMT plans already…

    #1984025
    alan york
    BPL Member

    @alanyork9

    Locale: PIEDMONT N.C.

    Best JMT video yet! Thanks.

    #1984028
    Erik Basil
    BPL Member

    @ebasil

    Locale: Atzlan

    Bob Bankhead, for the win. I started to chuckle, and then scrolled, chuckled some more, scrolled… finally broke down and laughed out loud.

    Some beautiful photos earlier in this thread, btw.

    #1984040
    Steven McAllister
    BPL Member

    @brooklynkayak

    Locale: Arizona, US

    Although the views are nice, it is one trail I have no desire to hike.
    Permits, crowds, restrictions,… are not what I consider a fun hike.

    There are other trails away from the crowds that are just as nice.

    If you like a lot of company, this is the hike for you.

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