- Jun 29, 2013 at 7:04 am #2000758d kBPL Member
Well, yeah, I am guilty of bringing in material from another thread, but it seemed pertinent. I was trying to address your previous post in this thread where it sounded like you felt personally persecuted, but then I just couldn't seem to stop myself. That's what happens when I stay up too late, I guess.Jun 29, 2013 at 7:17 am #2000762Ken ThompsonBPL Member
@hereLocale: Right there
Well Matthew you are aware that two threads are going on about this crap right now as you are posting to both. This has always been a Chaff worthy thread. It has nothing to do with how I feel and what I think.
No I did not read your posts. I always try to skip them as you never add anything of value. You ranting …………Jun 29, 2013 at 7:54 am #2000770idesterBPL Member
@doug-iLocale: The Cascades
"Do you really think Russia would have even agreed to talk to us if we had not scared the $h!t out of them by building up our military?"
Well, yes, I do. IMO, Gorbachev deserves a lot of credit for the end of the cold war as well. While I'm not a fan of Reagan, he was the right leader at the right time in our history to end the cold war and scale back our lose-lose aggressive trajectory with Russia. But I don't believe he could have done it without Gorbachev, who was also the right leader at the right time in Soviet history to end the cold war.
For the first time, Gorbachev and Reagan put aside their political and philosophical differences for their countries – they both realized the trajectory their countries were on were not sustainable. So they engaged each other directly, with respect (Reagan pretty much gave up the 'evil empire' talk when he began engaging Gorbachev directly), to lead their countries down a different path.
But had another hardliner, instead of the reformer Gorbachev (followed by Yeltsin), been in power in the Soviet Union at that time, the cold war could very well still be going on – or worse.
IMO, Reagan's greatest triumph was not due to his military buildup – that may have set the stage – it was due to his diplomacy. And he shares the credit of the ending of the cold war with Gorbachev – he didn't do it alone.
We live in a safer world because two men realized we simply had to – though for different reasons (for Gorbachev it had little to do with being scared and much more to do with a realization that his country would never advance economically if it continued to spend so much on their military) – and then made it happen.Jun 29, 2013 at 8:12 am #2000777idesterBPL Member
@doug-iLocale: The Cascades
"Figures..anytime someone has a differing opinion, it is ridiculed by all the Liberals on here."
Unfortunately, Matthew, this happens on multiple sides. It's unfortunate, IMO, that so many folks have to resort to labels and name-calling – respectful discussion never goes on for long (if it even starts that way) in these threads on this and a few other topics. I don't know why people bother starting these threads, I have yet to see one end without it devolving into anger, name calling and nastiness. It's a shame, really.
FWIW, not everyone who believes in reasonable gun legislation is a liberal. Not everyone who believes in god or that America is a great country is a conservative. If we'd stop putting each other in boxes – all of us – we'd have more useful discussions, IMO. And my remarks aren't aimed specifically at you, though I'm responding to your post, they're aimed at most BPL forum posters, including myself.Jun 29, 2013 at 9:59 am #2000816Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
I must be a genius. Was able to predict the outcome of this thread after reading the very first post.Jun 29, 2013 at 10:21 am #2000827Greg MihalikBPL Member
I'll bet that leaves you chaffing at the bit for the next prediction opportunity…Jun 30, 2013 at 5:48 pm #2001174John TaylorBPL Member
Russia had no choice but to end the Cold War. The USSR was broke, their people wer starving.Jun 30, 2013 at 8:12 pm #2001202
"Russia had no choice but to end the Cold War. The USSR was broke, their people wer starving."
Exactly…because all of the USSR's money went into the arms race with the US. They could not possibly compete with the US private sector driving our economy.
MJun 30, 2013 at 8:43 pm #2001210Dave TMember
Moderator, move this to Chaff.Jun 30, 2013 at 8:51 pm #2001215Roger CaffinModerator
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
> Could this please be moved to chaff?
Doesn't seem possible at the moment. Don't know why.
(Yes, I know it used to be possible.)
CheersJun 30, 2013 at 9:20 pm #2001217Jason ElsworthBPL Member
@jephotoLocale: New Zealand
Moderator, move this to Chaff.
+ 1 even though it is impossible. There you go Matthew, you can put me on your list of BPL liberals that you don't like.
I listened to a long interview with Dan Baum, author of Gun Guys, recently and he made a lot of sense most of the time.
http://danbaum.com/Nine_Lives/About_Gun_Guys.htmlJun 30, 2013 at 10:52 pm #2001239
"There you go Matthew, you can put me on your list of BPL liberals that you don't like. "
Unlike our President, I don't keep an "enemies" list. You have every right to your opinions, as do I. And I also try not to judge people solely on their political leanings. I never said I don't like anyone on BPL. Ever.
MJun 30, 2013 at 11:47 pm #2001246Jason ElsworthBPL Member
@jephotoLocale: New Zealand
Unlike our President, I don't keep an "enemies" list.
Try and make a post without bringing politics into it.
You have every right to your opinions, as do I.
I never said you didn't. Ever. How do you know that our opinions on this topic aren't identical? Perhaps you are judging me solely on my political leanings? The same way that you categorised those who had a different opinion from you on gun control as liberals.Jun 30, 2013 at 11:51 pm #2001247Justin BakerBPL Member
@justin_bakerLocale: Santa Rosa, CA
You are wearing a kilt, your argument is invalid.Jul 1, 2013 at 9:35 am #2001313
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