Hello everyone, this is my first post here. Last fall and winter I did a southbound thruhike of the AT. I used fairly light gear with a 15lb base weight for a zero degree setup. Using items such as the gg vapor trail, prolite 3 short, bd betalight, ems mnt light 0, and a jetboil. Now it's time to take things to the next level. I have been researching gear for some time (this site is great!), and have got the following items on my list so far:
MLD Zip Pack 9.8oz – I don't think a cuben pack would hold the amount of food I like to carry (six days coming out of town usually)… unless I can figure out how to make my food lighter also.
MLD grace solo spectra tarp 4.8oz – the betalight was way to big, and in the winter there is nobody else on the trail so the shelters are palaces.
-litesoul bivy wide 4.6oz – i'm a bivy fan and that's half the weight of my lightest! (bd winter 8oz)
-nunatak arc alpinist 20oz – very excited about this item, leaning toward the pertex fabric and maybe overfill. I have not used a quilt before but am sure that I can adapt.
-cocoon hoodie 9.5oz – not sure if I will be able to get one of these but I would sure love to.
-nunatak luna pad 7.5oz – i don't know if the pad will be warm enough. my prolite 3 short was fine down to single digits. that bmw pad looks small, i'm 5' 8" and can curl up on my prolite. not to concerned with comfort but with warmth.
-integral designs event jacket 8.8oz – this looks great, I used a 15oz ems paclite jacket on my thru. The event jacket is near the weight of frogg toggs and a wind shirt. I do not believe a poncho would be appropriate for late fall above treeline hiking.
-shell pants – I have been wondering if a wind pant is enough to keep me warm? I used 12oz paclite pants on my hike. Mont bell looks like they have some nice choices golite also.
stove and kitchen – I used a jetboil and ti spork for freezer bag cooking. Alcohol looks like a good choice or esbit? I've got a couple pepsi can stoves that work pretty good. Not so well below freezing though, ineffecient. I will be wearing a long base layer and shorts most of the time. I left all smaller items off as right now I am ready to purchase the big stuff and start waiting for it! Even with many items left out I am concerned with being able to stay under 5lbs.
Any feedback would be appreciated, thank you
-Brian 'Early Bird' Senez
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Hi Brian,
Welcome to BackpackingLight! My name’s Doug and I’m an editor here- in charge of trekking poles but I do a lot of writing, reviewing, etc. Welcome aboard!
I just posted my Sub 4 Gear List.
My thoughts on your items:
MLD Zip Pack 9.8oz – seems like a great choice for what you want
MLD grace solo spectra tarp 4.8oz – I’ve had nothing by great luck with Ron’s items.
litesoul bivy wide 4.6oz – that’s on my list too!
nunatak arc alpinist 20oz – I have an Arc Ghost- this bag is more versatile and a great choice- especially with the bivy
cocoon hoodie 9.5oz – Love my cocoon. Might want another hat to go with this…at least I need it (cold sleeper)
nunatak luna pad 7.5oz – this seems like the same stuff as a Gossamer Gear Nightlight- I love my Nightlight (see my review on this site) I think you’ll find it warmer than your Thermarest, actually
integral designs event jacket 8.8oz – great jacket- it’s a tad short for my liking but I’m really tall. You’ll probably love it. The hood is pretty basic…
shell pants – Wind pants offer killer warmth for the weight. The Montbell pants are on the water resistant side (less breathable) and they shed a good sprinkle. But with all-day rain, your legs will be wet. I usually find that I don’t care.
stove and kitchen – Yeah, ditch your Jetboil. You’re right about alchohol in the winter but for 3 season use it’s great. I still go back and forth on esbit and alcohol…but I currently use the Firelite Ti Esbit stove. I also love my MiniBullDesigns Stealth stove. He has some really cool designs.
You’re on your way to sub-5…shouldn’t be too hard with what you’re buying. Grab a good gear list, start plugging in suspected weights, and go from there. I’d guess you’ll find yourself in the 6-7lb range right now but you’ll be able to trim. It takes a while to get to SUL and coming from 15, that’s probably almost a complete new kit. My advice is get your stuff and start trimming from there.
Best of luck! I’m excited to hear how your kit evolves!
Doug
Hi Brian,
I think I met you on the AT at Kinsman Pond where I made you cocoa drinks then gave you a ride the next day into North Woodstock?
Doug's advice is right on, with really great points and it is quite a process, also I can imagine being on the AT southbound fall/winter you figured out quite a few things.
I am going through the same type of transition moving from UL to SUL for this upcoming season. Have same issues as stated about a poncho in cooler temps above treeline also the fact that I can not see my feet on steep, rocky terrain have been a concern. Have been using a combo of a Golite Virga and GG Spin Solo which seems to work really well. Just received MLD Superlite bivy and Prophet pack both pieces are of the highest quality and would give you a thumbs up with anything you get from Ron. Just made the switch from a Prolite 3/4 to GG Nightlite which also works great.
The combo of Arc Alpinist and MLD bivy most likely would be one that you wont regret.
Stove info is plentiful on this site Roger & Will have some in depth articles that are a great read.
Best of luck with all of this and hope to see you on the trail again
Jim
Doug – Thank you for the feedback, your sub4 list was very informative. I'm glad to see that you agree with most of my choices. Especially the wind pants for keeping warm in cooler weather.
Jim – Great to hear from you! We met in the second week of October I believe. I continued on to complete my hike on Feb 13. I definately learned a lot on my hike and am excited to get lighter gear and hike more. I will be out there again this fall. Possibly even later in the season than last year. It is very encouraging that you both agree with my sleep system.
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