Jan 29, 2013 at 5:43 pm #1298601
Tim has been super helpful, but I'd like to have user input on two questions: 1) For a 3 season, 70-30 degree temp range quilt, is the feel of the 10d liner so much better that its worth considering, if I have the funds for a Rev over a RevX? 2) How does the does the green 15wr do with breathability in that same 70-30 degree temp range. Thanks in advance.Jan 30, 2013 at 7:28 am #1948770
Any insights would be welcome, thanks.Jan 30, 2013 at 7:39 am #1948773
10d nobul1 and 10d nobul2 for me.Jan 30, 2013 at 1:36 pm #1948956
I have both a Rev 40F 8D/8D and a RevX 20F. While the 10D is certainly softer than the 30D, I find the 30D still pretty darn soft, don't forget that 30D is considered an ultralight fabric for the major manufacturers. Get a 30F quilt in either config and I think you'll be happy, Tim makes an excellent product. It really comes down to how much the few extra ounces matter to you.Jan 30, 2013 at 7:08 pm #1949090
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Finally decided Rev was worth it.
30 degree w/1 overstuff
Inside Color: Charcoal 10D NB 1,
Outside Color: Black 10D NB 2Jan 30, 2013 at 7:20 pm #1949098
I'm fence sitting on whether to get a regular Revelation (more weather resistant material), EE cuben quilt or hold off a year and just get a new, lighter pack and maybe a new shelter this year. Just got a reply from Tim, will be another two weeks for info on his cuben quilts.
DuaneJan 30, 2013 at 7:23 pm #1949100
The lighter materials are definitley worth it imo. 30d is great for tents, not so much for a sleeping bag.Jan 30, 2013 at 7:33 pm #1949104
Couldn't agree more. I know a lot of people aren't bothered by the 30d, but for me the regular revelation is hands down far and above the revX in terms of feel. I have both – a 30 deg revelation and a 10 deg revX, but honestly I may end up selling the revX and getting a colder revelation next winter because I love the softer hand so much more.Jan 30, 2013 at 7:39 pm #1949110
Won't the 10D be cooler, letting wind thru, thus making you colder?
DuaneJan 30, 2013 at 7:50 pm #1949116
The 10d NB2 has a more substantial coating (compared to NB1) so probably not. Im not sure though.Jan 31, 2013 at 4:40 am #1949204
Doesn't seem like folks have gone for the 15 WR outer, anyone have experience with that, breathability wise?Jan 31, 2013 at 8:54 pm #1949524
My revelation has that combo. It's a 30* with 30% overstuff (so rated about 25?). Seems pretty wind resistant yet fine in terms of breathability. I like it a lot so far…Feb 1, 2013 at 4:38 am #1949591
Thanks Jennifer, that's very helpful.Feb 1, 2013 at 5:44 am #1949603
I got a great deal on a demo Borah cuben bivy with top netting, side zip, so my question now is, how down leakage resistant is the 10D? From the EE site, all 10D will save about 1.5 oz. I don't need the weatherproofness now with the bivy and soon to add a tarp maybe when I make up my mind on what size.
DuaneFeb 1, 2013 at 6:08 am #1949613
I've had my rev with the 10d liner for a few months…using it a lot on the couch ;)
I've not seen ANY down leaking from the liner. I went with the slightly more resistant 15d for the shell because my 70# wet and muddy pup sleeps in the tent with me…and, well, you can just imagine.Feb 1, 2013 at 7:58 am #1949638
Thank you Jennifer. I miss having a dog. My current work situation does not allow me a dog.:(
DuaneFeb 1, 2013 at 8:24 am #1949645
I haven't seen any leakage from my 8D/8D 40F either. Tim makes a great quilt.Feb 1, 2013 at 12:56 pm #1949724
Oh man! I'm a Libra, you're not making this decision making easy for me.
DuaneFeb 1, 2013 at 2:56 pm #1949769
Duane, just get the 10D, you'll never regret going as light as you could, but I've often regretted not just getting the lightest of something the first time around.Feb 1, 2013 at 8:01 pm #1949868
How strong is the 10D in comparison to? Say a silk liner. WM "Lite" series of down bags.
DuaneFeb 2, 2013 at 6:49 am #1949978
Seriously Duane…put your libra tendencies aside and just make the order. 10d/10d and settle in for the wait…then enjoy!! With the bivy you'll be super happy. Tim makes wonderful stuff…and his customer service rocks.
Heck, I might even loan you my shedding wet pooch for a while..just so you can see how safe you'll be…
…Feb 2, 2013 at 7:35 am #1949988
Jennifer, the pack your dog carries looks familiar ;-)
Duane, I can't speak specifically for the 10D as mine is 8D, but close enough me thinks. It's plenty strong, I have no worries that anything is going to happen to it with the proper care. But it's like any other piece of ultra light gear, take care of it and don't treat it like it's a $40 sleeping bag from Cabelas. My dog has "claimed" it a couple times for himself before I got in the tent and other than the dirt that needs to be wiped off, there's no problems from his nails, so that passes my test.Feb 2, 2013 at 8:06 am #1949992
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I will add only one thing on fabric durability. Though I trust and personally use 10d(formerly known as 8d, eightD, and now nobul) on all my quilts I don't recommend it for through hikers as the extended use and difficulty of field repair make it less desirable for that application.
-TimFeb 2, 2013 at 8:06 am #1949993
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//Feb 2, 2013 at 8:10 am #1949994
You two are killing me with the dog pics.
I've been patient so far, at least I think that may be my excuse. I have the money so that is not the issue, just hate making the wrong descision. Thank you for the hearty endorsement of those lighter fabrics. I had received a reply back from Tim the same night I sent him an email a few nights ago over when he would have info back up on his cuben quilts. I guess he does not sell that many and no one wants one until they are gone.:) Another reason I've been hedging, my WM Caribou bag weights 1.5 lbs., so a quilt at 20-21 oz. was not much incentive to move forward. However, if I can get something down to 18 oz. or less, maybe I'd go ahead, plus I'm thinking the bivy may enable me to get a over stuffed 40 degree bag which could take me to the 30's which is what I really need for the Sierra in the summer and may be warm enough to the upper 20's with the bivy. I think those lighter fabrics would get me under 18 oz., but I hate the expense of what a cuben quilt will run from him. I'll hang in there for a few more weeks until he gets his cuben quilt up so I can run some numbers. If it takes a month to get a quilt, I have plenty of time for Spring bping, I'm enjoying my snowcamping with my old stoves for now. Don't want to get caught in the thru hikers rush for gear.
PS: I also recieved a reply from Matt at ZPacks, for the size of quilt and temp rating, he told me around 17.5 +-, so if Tim has the same, a big savings in money to get the Revelation with the 8D.
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