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Doug Johnson BPL Member
PostedApr 9, 2007 at 5:04 pm

I just got back from my first backpack with my son Henry on the Olympic NP coast- the Ozette Triangle. It was AWESOME! Henry turned 11 months old during the hike and he did very well- and he LOVED it! I wanted to share my gear choices with y'all and comment on how it all worked.

Sherpanipack

Amypinnacle

First, there were two packs- my wife carried a Golite Pinnacle with about 21 pounds of gear (mostly low density items like bags and clothes) while I carried a Sherpani Ultralight child carrier with about 35 total pounds (including an 18 pound baby Henry and high density stuff like food and fuel). Both carried the weight very nicely. The volume of the Pinnacle was great for the trip and I was really impressed by its ability to shrink down to a tiny daypack size when I had to shuttle back to the car for more diapers.

pinnacleshrunk

For a tent we used the Tarptent Rainshadow 2. Generously sized for 3 adults, this gave us a huge space for Henry to crawl around, play with toys, and have some baby play time that wasn't in the dirt, sand, and rain (plenty of that too!). The tent weighs about 2.5 pounds and was perfect for the trip, shedding a downpour and decent winds with ease.

HankTarptent

Amy and I used "normal" bags (both custom Feathered Friends) but Henry had the killer set-up. REI base layer, layer of cheapie fleece sleeper, Patagonia fleece bunting, and Smartwool socks at the feet and hands. For a bag he used a Vaude Pebbles 110 that we ordered from Europe that was 3.5 feet long. We used a strap to shorten it by about a foot. The bag was fine but not the lightest and we'd wished we bought the down model- this one was mostly just fleece. Still, having a bag that fit him was super cool. We used a BMW Torsolite pad (baby full-length) and used a long strap to hold the whole thing together so he didn't slip off the pad or attempt to crawl away. We also brought his favorite blankie mainly as a comfort item. He was quite warm and comfortable in this set-up (we skipped the mid-layer on night 2.

hanksleepsystem

We also brought a few key toys- a book that plays music, a ball, and his dangly keys. Other fun items included sleeping pads, titanium spoons, and dad's fleece hat.

We found that he slept almost as well at night as at home. For naps, we found that the backpack was a sure bet. Henry and I would go for long beach walks where he's talk in my ear until he fell asleep. When I arrived back at camp he'd continue to sleep in the carrier! That Sherpani is the lightest carrier on the market that stands up on its own and has a solid frame and it is an excellent product. Obviously Henry liked it!

Henrysleeping

For food, he mostly ate our stuff- freeze dried, oatmeal, cheese, etc. He had cheerios and some baby applesauce and bananas. We also used dried veggies from Just Tomatoes! and found that they became soft with warm water in about 10 minutes- great for the baby AND the parents. Great product. We cooked over a Primus Ti canister stove using an MSR Titan Kettle. We had a Titan mug for baby food and one baby spoon in addition to our BPL ti long spoons. Great combo. We had an Orikaso plate that we never used and wouldn't carry again.

henry eating

We used disposable diapers for the trip (we typically use wash diapers) and hung food and baby waste from our BMW Bear bag system (PCT method).

Lessons learned from backpacking with a baby:
– Go for it! Henry had a GREAT time and it was a total success!
– Plan well for keeping the kid warm. We were very happy with our solution but don't expect to find nice UL baby sleeping bags.
– A big floored tent is critical at this age- he needed room to crawl and play
– A well-fitted baby bunting with hand and foot covers is great because it keeps them warm and also keeps them cleaner when playing in the dirt
– Whenever Henry didn't have his binky (pacifier) he tried to eat everything from pine needles to sand to rocks. Keep the binky in the mouth!
– Be flexible. We planned for one night because we didn't know what to expect. By being close to the car (3 miles), I was able to do a shuttle run for more food and diapers.
– Expect more weight. No way around it- more volume and weight are to be expected. I didn't use my scale on this trip (until I got home that is!)

I also used some new Komperdell Bamboo/Carbon poles that I LOVE (review coming), the new Golite Sun Dragon shoes (forum review posted- great design), and Birdiepal umbrellas (very lightweight- stronger than Golite, better coverate than the UL Montbell- and perfect for the rainforest!). I used a No Sniveler ground system (minus the hood) the first night and slept very cold (40 deg temps). The bag is just too big to be effecient, the hood doesn't seal well (updated now), and the Thinlight pad wasn't warm enough for this cold sleeper. I was much happier with my Feather Friends Winter Wren the next night.

It was a wonderful experience that I've been dreaming about since well before Henry was born. I can't wait to share many other backpacking experiences with our family!

teampic

PostedApr 9, 2007 at 5:17 pm

Neat trip, great job … having just gone through this process with my daughter [she's six now] you are on the road to some outstanding memories.
My daughter knows every kind of edible bush fruit in the cascades, she could spot a ripe thimbleberry patch from a 100 yards.
You will be suprised how bad child carrying backpacks are as they gain weight and fidgetability.
Congratulations again.

Doug Johnson BPL Member
PostedApr 9, 2007 at 5:50 pm

Thanks Larry! What advice would you give as the kid gets a little older…say, the toddler years?

PostedApr 9, 2007 at 7:43 pm

Wow! All I can say is wow!

I took my 2 kids, ages 8 months and 27 months (at the time) car camping last summer. I quickly came to the conclusion that I felt it was more work than I had anticipated at that age. Especially when a toddler is just starting to get their "legs" you are really pressed to watch over them every step. With camp fires, roots and rocks, there are more than a few non-childproof obstacles that could cause pretty serious injury. Now that my daughter is 3…it seems that concern may be gone…but her attitude could be quite daunting should she decided to show it whilst several miles from an escape. (If you know 3 year old girls, you may know of what I speak)

I really do look forward to introducing both my son and daughter to the activity when they get a little older…but I am a little afraid of not only how fast the gear is outgrown but also turning them off to something they may not fully appreciate yet??? I just remember going backpacking for the first time when I was around 7 and enjoying some of it, but feeling like most of it was a turn off given the need to excert beyond comfort or attention span and the relative boredom a child can experience during the quiet times older people dearly cherish. (I also did not have a buddy or sibling to go with…which probably would have increased the fun ten fold)

My best bet for backpacking with a toddler would be to keep the walk to half hour or hour at the most! Then have plenty of activities planned to keep them engaged and busy…but you are way ahead of me already.

Congratulations and have fun!

Doug Johnson BPL Member
PostedApr 9, 2007 at 7:54 pm

Thanks Scott- and I hear you! We had only one and he is not quite walking yet- that certainly helped. And he's still small enough to carry in the baby backpack too. Something tells me it will be harder next time…but we'll see. I'm sure each trip will have its own set of challenges, especially as things are changing so quickly right now. It was definitely easier when car camping with him at 3 months. No movement was bliss!

One big piece of the puzzle is light gear. It made the trip doable for the parents on this trip. Hopefully UL gear will make Henry enjoy the trips more than I did when I was in scouts hauling crappy gear and breaking my back. It certainly renewed my love of backpacking (and my wife's) when I got into this gear.

Thanks again- I can't wait to hear about your trips someday!

Doug

PostedApr 9, 2007 at 8:39 pm

Well, when they are toddlers they toddle and topple and mix with the environment in ways that are not mother approved.
If there is one rock they will trip on it.
I mention this because once they can walk they want to do some and I never could quite bullet proof my daughter.
There will be tears and a lot of loading and unloading of the baby carrier to meet the little terrorists demands.
If they have a favorite toy they want to carry it and for some unknown reason toss it along the trail so you can look for it.
I couldn't believe how bad the pack carried as she gained weight but if you think about 25-30# of passed out baby weight it really is a tough load. I seemed to expend a lot more energy carefully placing my steps, watching for branches, bees, and such.
I once corraled her with a climbing rope so I could make camp.
As they get older you need to adjust their clothing more, you may be hot exercising but they're cold doing nothing or overheating all swaddled up, anyway it was easy to forget her clothing needs at times. Watch for brightness, reflected snow or water because it can really effect them in a negative way. When the little cuties are fussing and upset it might be a little bit of discomfort from the sun.
Sunblock or clothing is really important because they aren't all leathery like … say me.
So my advice is patience and forgiveness[for yourselves] and keep on going forward, you are investing in a type of savings account that pays huge dividends.
I've already had to explain to my daughter this year that just because there is no snow at home we can't really go backpacking for awhile longer.

PostedApr 9, 2007 at 9:24 pm

Babies and older kids are easiest to handle. Toddlers tend to be more of a handful (and you have more gear, but they can't carry anything). Once they hit 4 or so, it is easy cheesy.

And there isn't any reason why you can't keep going light either. Btw, when they start eating solids fully, try baby on some cheesy couscous (on my website). Kids love it, it is light, filling and cheap to make! As they get older, a Lexan cup works great to feed kids out of. It cleans easily, and they can't tip it over easily (unlike bowls that seem to go "whoops!").
I pack light and so does my son. Never saw any reason why he should go heavy when I don't ;-)

PostedApr 9, 2007 at 9:29 pm

Oh yeah…..and you want a UL and cheap(er) sleeping bag for babies?
Down jackets. I used a ladies Lands End jacket for Ford when he was really young. Worked great.

While I use down all the time for my sleeping bag, I'll note that my son still uses synthetic sleeping bags at 9 1/2. Why? Well, kids are messy! His sleeping bag gets washed often. Also, when he was younger, he had a bad accident one night on a 3 day trip. I got to pack up a pee soaked bag, and he had to sleep with me, under my bag as a quilt. Not fun. But, had his bag been down, the stench in the down would not have been fun. So once out of diapers, be careful!! That and you can get synthetic bags at around 2 lbs now for kids, so I can handle that :-)

Doug Johnson BPL Member
PostedApr 10, 2007 at 12:01 am

A down jacket- great idea Sarah! That makes perfect sense!

Great advice and experiences everyone on the toddler years, synthetic bags, peeing issues (SO glad that Henry didn't blow a diaper on this trip!) and climbing rope restraint system. Maybe use the rope to elevate the child for a time out? Ha!

Douglas Frick BPL Member
PostedApr 10, 2007 at 1:40 am

You’re gonna have a lot of fun :-)

>What advice would you give as the kid gets a little older…say, the toddler years?

I know you’ve seen my post about roping up a toddler, so I won’t repeat that info here. I put my kids in the harness as soon as they started walking to prevent the normal consequences of their myriad falls, and it increased their confidence while navigating sketchy terrain. The hiking harness became a climbing harness…at age 3.

There was a BPL thread about baby carriers a while ago that is apropos. There are several opinions and other kid-related suggestions there. If you find your baby carrier doesn’t work as well when your kid gets heavier, consider one of the REI models. I’ve carried over 60 pounds in mine (pack + gear + kid) and taken it up class 3 terrain.

You might consider taking up geocaching when your child is 2+. I was planning to hike those trails anyway, and the hope of finding a geocache works as well as fruit snacks to motivate kids to keep going. I always bring a favorite type of small toy to palm into the cache in case there isn’t anything interesting in it.

PostedApr 10, 2007 at 9:39 am

looking great! glad your first trip was a success. we took our firstborn on his first backpacking trip at 5 months and we had a HUGE learning curve. actually, having a kid was what got us into UL packing. it's a little bit harder here in the dry, dry southwest. nothing like carrying a kid AND almost 2 gallons of water!

you are lucky there were no diaper issues. always carry backup clothes, but i bet you knew that. as far as when he becomes a toddler, just be prepared for filth. there is no way to keep them from getting hideously dirty. they will put *everything* in their mouths. i wish i had a picture of the time we camped at a site with fire rings and our youngest proceeded to cover himself from head to toe with white ash. sadly, i forgot the camera on that trip.

looks like your sleep setup works well. we use down buntings from Land's End on colder, drier trips, but we've used fleece on occasion as well.

i invite anybody here who's packing with kids to join the Yahoo group i run, called backpackingwithchildren. we've got some good souls there, but we LOVE new people and new experiences to share.

PostedApr 10, 2007 at 10:52 am

i would LOVE to have you on the list. what address do you want me to send the invite to? drop me a line at this screen name at yahoo, ok?

PostedMay 18, 2007 at 10:26 am

Doug- Tell me more about the rain you experienced… we're planning our first trip with our 11-mo-old next wkd and there's supposed to be rain 2 of the 4 days. That sounds kind of miserable…

But it looks cold on your trip, too- and it was okay?

PostedJan 6, 2008 at 9:22 pm

One item we used when Leo (18mo now) was very young and will probably do again on the backpacking trips was plastic pants. We could some online and they fit over a diaper. So they are a "pack cover" if you will for a blowout, etc. They saved us on at least a few occasions!!

They are basically plastic underwear…

– Jake

PostedJan 8, 2008 at 11:39 am

We have been on two backpacking trips with our two kids. One is three and the other was 1 month old on his first trip and 2 months on his second trip. We will be going again soon now that the holidays are over and we are not traveling to relatives houses so much.

My three year old has a kids pack from REI that he carries with a couple toys, a bug box, and his fleece in. It also has a water bladder that we fill partially. He loves to drink out of the tube :) Just be sure to bring an extra bite valve for when they bite right through it!

The first time we went about 2.5 miles and the second trip was around 3.5 miles. For us that was far enough especially on the way out the next day. Much harder to keep the three year old motivated since he is pretty exhausted from all the excitement by then.

Taking the baby was pretty easy for us. My wife carried the baby in a sling and a backpack with the diapers (we use cloth). I was the mule for everything else. Although my load was heavy using lightweight principles really helps (I am able to carry gear for three people no problem).

If anyone has any questions or is thinking about taking the leap I would be happy to answer best I can.

PostedJun 3, 2008 at 9:04 am

Doug, so you added about 10 lbs of weight that you attached to the carrier?

How did you add that on? Any ideas regarding bags/sacks that are durable yet light that can be connected to the the packs?

We have an REI PiggyBack. We have the attachment pack and sun shade:
Piggyback 99 oz
Sun Shade 11 oz
Detachable Backpack 15.4 oz
So I am at 110 oz (6.875lb) empty (without the deatchable backpack).

Idea 1: Gut the detachable pack – there is major amounts of foam and even shoulder straps to use this as an uncomfortable day pack – that has to be 8-10 oz of the weight. Problem – still has a zipper attachment and is not that large – though could handle the food/heavy items.
– Has anyone done this?

Idea 2: (may use in addition to Idea 1), attach something below the seat or even hanging from the front (would like to avoid the front), or to the back.
– Ideas on types of bags, attachments, etc would be great.

PostedJun 3, 2008 at 9:11 am

I had asked if people used Aqua Mira drops instead of a purifier. The answer from Doug (I think) was yes and Ryan (in the BPLB recommends them- I have read). So I get all that- and if this next question was answered, sorry I misunderstood it!

My question is, would there be any reason to be concerned about that AM when using it for kids under 2 (or kids under x years old)? I know it kills bacteria, but not "everything".

Locations: A few short backpacking trips near Denver, CO. 2-3 miles max.

I can just take the PUR Micro if needed, but saving 12oz would be good…

– jake

PostedJun 3, 2008 at 2:17 pm

Aquamira is similar to what is used in municipal water supplies. If you live in a town/city your child already gets it.

Now having said that it is safe, it can cause gas issues, as babies can have icky stomachs with water they are not used to.

But really, don't worry! The opposite of using it is much worse. It isn't harmful though the odor can be a turn off on both AMand MicroPur tablets.

PostedJun 4, 2008 at 2:02 pm

My main concern was would it cause and issues for him. I would either bring AM drops (3oz-original packaging) or my PUR filter (17+oz).

So that saves me nearly a pound!! Thanks!

– Jake

PostedJun 4, 2008 at 3:23 pm

You might consider a Steripen? We take a Steripen Adventurer now with us. I bought extra rechargeable batteries as well.

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