Down shifting in Enlightened Equip quilts?

[USA Duane Hall]

Sergiy,
I'm with you, too much to think about.

[Jerry Adams]

"The squares formed by the baffles puff up and you can judge if they look even or not. Granted, you couldn't do this in the rain."

I don't see the goodness of Karo baffles – easier to just have normal tubes

The Karo baffles do look "cool" though

[Eugene Smith]

Horizontal baffles just make sense to me, as long as they're adequately stuffed and not overly wide (JRB*). Why the Karo baffle, are they a benefit to the maker (easier?) or to the end user out on the trail? There are simpler means for regulating temperature that don't require me having to move insulation throughout several baffles.

I could be convinced otherwise, but I haven't read any long term reports from karo step quilt users on how they compare to using traditional baffles.

[michael levi]

Tim should make a quilt with vertical baffles that are permanent. In a quilt there is no down under you, so might as well keep it that way.

[Raymond Estrella]

Eugene they are a much easier method for the maker as it allows the entire quilt to be filled at once, instead of filling each tube between horizontal baffles.

[Diplomatic Mike]

A differential cut (outside shell bigger than internal shell) should help stop down migration in quilts, especially if you are a side sleeper. Your hips can push the outer and inner shell together otherwise.
The down shifts in my Nunatak Arc Specialist, but doesn't in my Katabatic Sawatch.

[J-L]

I'll go ahead and say I like the Karo baffles on my EE quilt. I have a 30 degree with overstuff. My knees/calves have always gotten really hot at night with other bags, but with the Karo baffles I can shift a lot of the down in that area to my feet and chest areas for extra warmth. Being able to do this has been GREAT and is the reason I chose EE. Even with this extreme shifting, down migration over night has not been much of a problem for me but I only have about 15 nights with it so far.

That said, my ideal quilt would have smaller karo or vertical baffles and would be more fitted (think Katabatic Gear style) but who makes that?

[a b]

Been using my Enlightnened Equipment Revelation 20 wide Karo quilt with standard 10% overfill.
Ain't had no problems with down shift but my temps have been upper thirties to forties.

I like the fact that some grey down feathers are in there.
The green 15d WR fabric is transluscent and and makes moving down easy though i simply use the following protocol.

Grab down quilt by left edge.
Shake for 10 heartbeats.
Grab down quilt by right edge.
Shake for 10 heartbeats.

Climb inside.
Sleep and dream crazy dreams whilst being warm and breathing cold air.
Girlfriends hate this.. us guys love this.

I think Karo baffles are no different than horizontal baffles i have used. (WM Antelope zero, WM Ultra 20, Montebell 30, SlumberJack Elite)
It is good practice to "shuffle" your down (or synthetic) gear before you attempt to sleep in it.
It has been packed in your backpack, squished the air out of, Why not introduce more insulating air into the material?
It is hella logical.

FWI. took me a long time to realize this myself. It is (and should be) standard operating procedure to "LOFT" your down OR synthetic before slumber. (I love the word "SLUMBER") Anyhow…

By the way, if your down or syth is toast, you can pull the inner and outer shells of your bag or quilt apart.(Just pick at them like picking dandylions) You will get a lot of convection in the dead airspaces you create, but it is better than the "flat ass" wet down clumped close to your body.

Ain't no expert but i have been in that situation and it helps.

Edited: to erase anything that makes me sound like a hick.

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