Aug 29, 2012 at 2:35 pm #1293494
? Why do people pack in camp shoes.
I've never been able to figure this out.Aug 29, 2012 at 2:41 pm #1907308
Kenneth JacobsBPL Member
Mine are camp shoes/water crossing shoes, as my hiking shoes are waterproof. My camp shoes also let my feet breath more, can't absorb water and are far easier to pop on and off should I be going in and out of my tent. Additionally, they're FAR more comfortable than my hiking shoes and have little massaging nubs on the inside.
…almost forgot, they also give my feet time away from my days sweaty shoes and allow them to dry (especially if they're covered in mud).Aug 29, 2012 at 2:43 pm #1907310
Ben CBPL Member
To wear when you cook, set up camp, get up to pee, etc. I usually don't bring any, but there are times when I am jealous of a fellow backpacker whose feet aren't in wet, smelly shoes in camp.
SOme people have more substantial camp shoes and trade them out for stream crossings too.Aug 29, 2012 at 2:44 pm #1907311
Jake DBPL Member
Have you walked 10-12 hours in a day? having sandals or crocs to use around camp without having to put your hiking shoes/boots on has many purposes.
– lets your feet breathe and dry out
– lets your shoes/boots and socks dry out
– convenience of slip on shoes for getting water, going to privy, general camp activities.
– some people use crocs or water shoes for stream crossings to have grip but not get their hiking shoes soaked.Aug 29, 2012 at 3:00 pm #1907312
Ken T.BPL Member
People like to bring them.Aug 29, 2012 at 3:04 pm #1907315
Erik BasilBPL Member
With all the discussion of super light duty camp shoes, sometimes less substantial than a *sock*, on here lately, I wonder if the OP question is based in wonderment over what the benefit of a Tyvek sheet held on with dental floss is (other than establishment of internet cred).
Personally, my uses for a camp shoe are much as described above: shoes to wear (possibly all day) other than my hiking shoes/boots, shoes to put on quickly for midnight bathroom runs, shoes to wade in lakes and creeks for fishing, crossing or just actual wading, shoes to wear around camp and shoes to hike up trail to watch the sunrise in.
For quite a while, this list was satisfied by a set of Keen Newports but even I recognize those marvelous, beefy sandals as boat anchors, so I replaced them this season with Croc-off's of Keens that we found at Walmart. Made of croccy stuff with a velcro tab on the ankle but the general appearance of a Newport (including toe coverage), they weigh less than half of a Keen, have sufficient padding to walk on rocky trails, absorb no water, grip decently on wet rocks, grip great on dry rocks and feel great over bare or socked feet. They did all the stuff we formerly hauled the Keens for, but at far less weight (and less wet, btw), but they surely weigh some factor of ten more than some of the lesser items the more dedicated can enjoy.Aug 30, 2012 at 12:25 am #1907496
They're my luxury item. For me, I use a pair of rubber slippers ("flip-flops"). My current choice is the original Teva Mush, which weighs just over 5 oz.
I just enjoy getting out of my hiking shoes at the end of the day. As a long time marathoner, i realized long ago that I enjoy getting out of my running togs and shoes and getting cleaned up an into clean duds as quickly as possible after a race. For me, it gets me in the recovery mindset more quickly, which in turn helps me actually recover and reset.Aug 30, 2012 at 8:43 am #1907553
Ah.. I have found that my ultralight trail runners dry QUICK (even when I am wearing them) so I just deal with it and swap out socks.
I take the socks off that I"m wearing and throw them on my pack. Then the new ones absorb 80% of the moisture. Then I swap again. Then these suck in the remaining moisture and an hour later I just swap socks again.
If it's a slow/shallow stream I will just take my shoes off and walk slow.
The Solomons I have have a cool lacing system which locks the laces in so I can wear them loose. I'm swapping them for an pair of Inov-8 295s though so I will just keep the lacing loose.Aug 30, 2012 at 9:27 am #1907563
@carlbeckerLocale: Northern Virginia
I don't know. I wear INOV-8 212's. I wear them through streams. Extra sock's at night. I rarely get up at night but when nature does call just slip them on.Aug 30, 2012 at 9:40 am #1907568
Stephen BarberBPL Member
Camp shoes, as I see it, are mainly about relief for your feet after pounding all day in big heavy boots.
With trail runners, when I get to camp, I just loosen my laces, take out the insole, and I have a loose, floppy, comfortable camp shoe.
I usually also take off my socks, wash them and hang them out to dry. My feet feel just fine sans socks in my floppy shoes!Aug 30, 2012 at 9:56 am #1907570
Pee bottle… I have a large mouth nalgene bottle which I use for this purpose. I don't even have to get out of my hammock.Aug 30, 2012 at 10:01 am #1907572
Jake DBPL Member
Depends on your terrain. I hike on a lot of rocks and even with trailrunners my feet get beat up so taking them out of shoes and wearing sandals is a welcome change.
i started my Long trail hike without camp shoes and after a few days was jealous of folks who had them. (i'd like to thank the person who forgot theirs at a shelter for making the last 180mi much nicer)Aug 30, 2012 at 10:16 am #1907574
Stephen BarberBPL Member
@ Kevin: Dude! My feet are too big to get in even a wide mouth Nalgene! ;-)Aug 30, 2012 at 11:03 am #1907584
Ben CBPL Member
I use the extra-wide mouth myself.Aug 30, 2012 at 12:01 pm #1907608
@hhopeLocale: East Bay
Aside from the uses people note above, changing shoes and pants after going through poison oak the second you get to camp makes it much less likely you will accidentally get some on your face or wherever. Keep in mind, poison oak is not something you are immune to, it's something you slowly over time and exposure lose resistance to. It's part of a set of things you do that majorly minimize the risk of serious poison oak issues.
Stream crossings, wandering around in streams, day hikes up streams, etc, as others noted, ie, having a nice day.
I tried my last trip without them and was just annoyed, I used trail runners, and won't go without camp shoes on any trip of any duration again, though I will keep my eye out for functional light ones.
I have some cheap chinese store sandals that are slip on, a bit lighter than other options. Added a strap to the heel, still need to test those in water but I think they should work ok.
Something tells me there is a set of people who do not do much winter wet stuff, where your socks do not in fact dry, and wetting out both pairs simply ends you up with two wet pairs of socks which may not dry for days. Sounds really fun and warm, no?Aug 30, 2012 at 2:06 pm #1907653
Dale WambaughBPL Member
@dwambaughLocale: Pacific Northwest
It is unnecessary weight, just like extra changes of underwear, too many pairs of socks and the like. I could see loosening your shoes in camp for relaxation and easy on and off, but the idea of spending much time and money to get the lightest gear and then throwing in an extra pair of shoes to be worn for an hour or two is counterintuitive. I think I would get more out of that weight with a nicer sleeping pad, more fill in my sleeping bag, etc.
I have looked at lot of UL camp shoes over the years and haven't seem anything that was of much use and certainly none that I would wear to cross a rocky mountain stream, where the best traction and foot protection is needed—- I'm talking fast current, snowmelt cold and big rough boulders. The Vivo Barefoot Ultra Pure comes the closest to giving good foot protection at low weight. http://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/mens/ultra-pure-mens.html. At $50, I'll wait for a screamin' deal to experiment with that model. I see they have an UL sandal too: http://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/mens/achilles-yellow.htmlAug 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm #1907662
Michael CheifetzBPL Member
im not a pro or XUL ninja – but IMO if its really cold/wet then you are compromising your feet if you have nothing to warm them up in camp and treat them well. that could be down booties – but you cant walk in these – so you get some covers (like say goosefeet) or if its not THAT cold you prob want thick socks and something to put over them when you go pee/p00p or sit around. Shoes can get REALLY muddy and wet and never dry during the night. and if temps are 20F and below that can mean really cold if you are in them all the time.
Another issue that i have most of my hikes is that im also travelling in a foreign country usually so i need something i can enter BnB or people's homes or a taxi or museum or whatnot – this many times doesnt feel right with a very muddy and smelly boot – so i use my camp shoes (these days crocs or five fingers if its warm) which also double for crossings for me
MikeAug 30, 2012 at 2:48 pm #1907677
@hhopeLocale: East Bay
Dale, your logic doesn't follow at all. Sometimes here I think members really confuse what they like to do with some larger thing, or set of rules, that would dicate what other people might like, as an absolute. Probably the biggest reason that ul isn't really given much credit, or respect, outside of ul world. In the tech sector we call this 'fanboyism'.
Just as an example of the weird logic, say, my base weight is 13 pounds with shoes and some poison oak camp clothes (that is how you avoid it by the way, it's the best method I've found). Now, somehow, that 13 pounds is worse than the 30 say, baseweight one might carry using normal gear? Try to actually think through, the goal is NOT to have x pounds, it's to go lighter.
If you find that some totally arbitrary weight is good and 12 oz more is bad, then I'd say you have totally lost perspective on what backpacking should be all about, which is being out in nature and having a good experience, not meeting some made up weight so you can say you are ul or sul or whatever other nonsense people make up.
Let's see, I carry a water filter, I only use that about 5 to 10 minutes a day. Maybe 12, depends. I carry a cooking pot and stove, I only use those about 1 hour a day (I eat out of my pot). Let's see, what else? I carry rain gear, which I often don't use at all. I carry an extra water bottle, which usually doesn't get used. I carry a cup, that only gets used about 15 minutes a day. Compared to those, gear like camp shoes starts to look downright useful, given you might wear them 3 hours a day (keeping in mind, not everyone thinks hiking all day then stopping only to sleep is a particularly good way to spend time in nature).
hmm, what else?
You don't have to spend 50 bucks on shoes, you can, like me, spend 3 or 4 by going to chinatown and looking around.
I get sick of the shoes I'm wearing all day, my feet want to breath and just be more open, plus the poison oak issue, which is very significant. While I don't wish people to lose their resistance to poison oak, I do in a sense wish you for example could grasp that there are actual reasons to bring gear that you personally don't like, it would really make the forums a more welcoming place. Just learn to insert the words 'I prefer because of the style I like' into declarations about what is good or bad and you'll find the tone changes radically. Might also help open some minds that seem to be shut closed against any other type of backpacking than a sort that almost nobody in the real world actually does. I believe this is known as HYOH. Really would be nice to see bpl learn what that means.Aug 30, 2012 at 3:09 pm #1907684
Erik BasilBPL Member
…not everyone thinks hiking all day then stopping only to sleep is a particularly good way to spend time in nature)."
Well, yeah. Those of us that punch out major mileage and use as much of our day to do so as we can (or that used to), might not have the same need or utility value to alternate footwear as those who spend more time at either a destination or otherwise. I think Andrew Skurka defines the extremes for these types as "Ultimate Hiker" and "Ultimate Camper", and there are surely degrees between the two concepts.
Being more Ultimate Camper these days, designing trips to include "off days" for peak-bagging, fishing, sleeping lazily past 7am, etc… I personally put a lot more utility value into a second set of shoes that I can get wet, cruise around in and such that I imagine the guys who hike all day in running shoes do. Heck, I carry a one-pound folding stool, a folding bucket, box kite and fishing rig that Ultimate Hikers might find no use (or time) for, at all.
So, it seems obvious to me that the answer to "what are camp shoes for?" is one that may be relative to the needs and desires of the persons hiking their own hike, hauling their own beer and wearing their own shoes.Aug 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm #1907697
Steven McAllisterBPL Member
@brooklynkayakLocale: South West US
Some examples I've seen or heard about:
Allows time away from your footwear so they can dry
Crossing streams to keep you footwear dry
Something quick to put on to take a pee
Alternate shoes – I have seen people hiking in Crocks because of a problem with their hiking shoes
Supplement hiking shoes in adverse conditions – my camp shoes are just light neoprene socks. I wear them as hiking socks when I have to walk through very cold and wet conditions.Aug 30, 2012 at 4:26 pm #1907729
Bob BankheadBPL Member
@wandering_bobLocale: Oregon, USA
Not yet mentioned per se:
If you lose one of your hiking shoes/boots for whatever reason (deer and porcupines love salt and are great midnight camp raiders) it's nice to have something to replace it with. sock + rock = pain.
Memo to file from the schol of hard knocks:
Basic flip-flops are super light, but have no rear strap so it's easy to slide your heel and arch sideways out of them, especially if they're wet. This can result in a foot injury, especially during a stream crossing. Better to use a pair of Croc knock-offs with the heel strap. The extra weight is worth it.Aug 30, 2012 at 4:43 pm #1907732
"Dale, your logic doesn't follow at all. Sometimes here I think members really confuse what they like to do with some larger thing, or set of rules, that would dicate what other people might like, as an absolute."
Gosh Harald, you're reading more into Dale's post than I did. He expressed an opinion, but I didn't see him laying down any absolute laws. Nor did I see any weird logic in his post.
"If you find that some totally arbitrary weight is good and 12 oz more is bad, then I'd say you have totally lost perspective on what backpacking should be all about, which is being out in nature and having a good experience, not meeting some made up weight so you can say you are ul or sul or whatever other nonsense people make up."
Then you go and create your own absolute: backpacking is about being in nature, it's not about meeting some made up weight! Well, to you perhaps. Sounds like you might be confusing what you like to do with some larger thing … that would dictate what other people might like, as an absolute. Just sayin'…
"not everyone thinks hiking all day then stopping only to sleep is a particularly good way to spend time in nature"
True. But some people do. I'm one of them. I like hiking all day and stopping only to set up camp and sleep – and hang around camp in the dark (or around a campfire) with my hiking companions. And though I like to hike all day (no real rest stops, only stop to refill water), I also bring camp shoes. Love 'em. Hmmmmm, there's more than just 2 kinds of backpackers! Who'd a thunk!
"I do in a sense wish you for example could grasp that there are actual reasons to bring gear that you personally don't like, it would really make the forums a more welcoming place. Just learn to insert the words 'I prefer because of the style I like' into declarations about what is good or bad and you'll find the tone changes radically."
I think Dale does get that, I've read enough of his posts. Perhaps, because of that, I know he's only expressing his opinion, and not making a declaration that he expects everyone else to follow. Just learn to insert into your own mind 'he's just expressing his opinion, not making a declarative statement for everyone to follow' into the forum posts you read and you'll find the perceived tone changes radically.
"I believe this is known as HYOH. Really would be nice to see bpl learn what that means."
Yes, it would……Aug 30, 2012 at 4:51 pm #1907735
Franco DarioliBPL Member
I keep changing my mind on this, but I have Tom Jones syndrome (It's not unusual)
The last few trips were on snow and I knew I was going to hang around the huts so I had my imitation Crocs with me.
Last summer I never had any "camp shoes" because I would walk around camp barefooted or with my runners undone and having plastic bags over my dry socks when raining.
So possibly the most important reason for me to have them , when I do, is to dry my feet or let them breathe.
FrancoAug 30, 2012 at 5:54 pm #1907756
Ken T.BPL Member
If you use a Hennesey with the bottom entry you don't need the bottle at all. Nor do you need to exit either.Aug 30, 2012 at 6:00 pm #1907757
@m-lLocale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
+1 on trail runners. Heck mine are made to go sockless. Nb 110
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