Feb 27, 2007 at 11:52 am #1222068
Ok this actually came to me in a dream last night. Time to focus on my other hobbies a bit more…
Here's the idea: I've been using powdered skim milk in various backcountry dishes and drinks for a long time. I like the richness and the protein that it adds, and of course it's reasonably calorie-dense.
Recently I've found a supplier of powdered whole milk, and while not cheap it is a decadent backcountry food and adds welcome fat at mealtime and before bed.
So, continuing this progression towards more nutrient- and fat-dense powdered milk products, how about baby formula?
Being 27, I'm personally still a few years away from, err, reproducing myself. And as the parents in the crowd have probably just discerned I don't know a thing about babies or their foodstuffs.
Does this stuff taste good? Okay? Disgusting?
I looked up similac and enfalac this morning; they actually come in a lot of varieties. There are regular, high-iron, soy-based, and toddler formulas. They have lots of types of fats in them as well as vitamins that I assume don't come in cow's milk.
Unfortunately they don't post empirical nutritional information. Does anyone have some of this at home who could post the calories-per-gram, plus the breakdown of fats and vitamins?
I'd love to know if it's healthy for an adult to consume this stuff and what it tastes like. But I am still too stuck on my own hangups to go buy a can!Feb 27, 2007 at 3:50 pm #1380305
Just don't whine when you gag ;-) Hehheh!!
Baby formula is the nastiest stuff around. You know why baby burps smell so bad? Yeah, formula burps. AHHHHH!!!!
Also, BF is low in sugar often, so it is pretty plain overall.
Go get some Ensure ;-)Feb 27, 2007 at 3:56 pm #1380307
I can't say I've ever smelled a baby burp!
I can't put Ensure in my 7-grain cereal or my coffee… but it sounds like baby formula is out too. Thanks for the info; you saved me the price of a can of Similac.
I wonder why babies like it…Feb 27, 2007 at 6:00 pm #1380324
@ouzelLocale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Stick with the powdered whole milk, IMHO.Feb 27, 2007 at 6:02 pm #1380325
The lucky babies get the natural stuff
and, believe it or not, no bad smell from either end
Just thought I'd mention this for your future reference
: )Feb 27, 2007 at 6:05 pm #1380326
If I had some of that at home, the problem would be solved.
But then again I probably wouldn't have time to go backpacking anymore now would I. Plus the department of Family Services would want to know why there was b milk in my dehydrator.
Yah I think I'll stick to whole (cow's) milk. It's delicious and lacks the unsettling Freudian overtones…Feb 27, 2007 at 6:05 pm #1380327
@btomskyLocale: San Francisco Bay Area
Hey Brian, my level of baby food knowledge is right around yours, so I can't help with your specific query… but I am interested in the topic.
I too bring powdered skim milk on backpacking trips, and similarly have been looking for a more calorie dense and nutrious option. I've been looking for a supplier of powdered whole milk or powdered soy milk, but can't find anything. It would be great if people could share if they have any online resources…Feb 27, 2007 at 6:41 pm #1380334
The store I buy from sells skim, 2%, whole, and even buttermilk in powder. They have just about every nut, grain, seed, legume, and spice available in whole, cracked, ground, and powdered form. They also have a tonne of different dried fruits, and mixes such as soups, 7- and 9-grain cereals, and quickbreads. It's a backpacker's paradise, really, but unfortunately it's in the Vancouver area.Feb 27, 2007 at 8:17 pm #1380348
Ben, you can get powdered soy milk by Better Than Milk! It is sold on Amazon in a number of varieties – and is good stuff!
And yeah, mama milk is much better ;-)Feb 27, 2007 at 8:26 pm #1380349
Sorry to hijack your thread for a second but I have been PMing you and not sure if they are getting thru!
Let me know if you are getting them.
OK back to baby formula!! ;-)Feb 27, 2007 at 10:59 pm #1380372
@tinyscraftsLocale: So Cal
I'll differ on this… babies naturally like sweet.
and agree Formula is nasty stuff made from the cheapest oils available, and often contaminated too (go ahead google formula recalls) yukFeb 28, 2007 at 10:18 pm #1380516
Baby formula tastes horrible! You would be better off to go to the health food store and get some powdered whole milk!
The soy formula is absolutely revolting!
Having had 5 kids and 2 of them on various formulas, I know what they taste like!Mar 2, 2007 at 10:20 am #1380758
Larry, I emailed you. Sorry for the delay.
Okay, onto the good part of the post. Guess what I just drank? One can of "Similac Advance with Omega-3 and Omega-6". Yes I did.
And I think we might be onto something here folks.
I had to pick up a parcel at the drug store last night, and I'm afraid my curiosity got the better of me. They sell this stuff in single-serving cans! After reading the nutritional information I couldn't resist:
PER 100mL (3.38 fluid ounces) "baby serving) of the mixed product:
203IU Vitamin A
41IU Vitamin D3
2.1IU Vitamin E
0.0055mg Vitamin K1
6mg Vitamin C
.041mg Vitamin B6
.010mg Folic Acid
.00017mg Vitamin B12
.304mg Pantothenic Acid
This stuff has some of everything, including vitamins and aminos you need to replace when exercising. The can I drank was 235mL (8 fluid ounces) and it contained 669 calories — talk about calorie-dense.
Surprisingly good. To my palate, just fine. Mild, milk-like. Way better than Boost and Ensure. And in my opinion, better than regular powdered milk mixed up with water; whole or skim.
I was expecting the worst, so I refrigerated the can overnight. I'm sure that this is why it tasted so mild. It's probably not as great at room temperature or warm, the way that almost everyone has consumed it. Or, maybe they've made advances in the flavor of formula recently. Either way, and for whatever reason, it tasted good!
One caveat is that I bought the no-mix stuff. I don't know what the powder tastes like; I was hoping someone else could take the plunge on that one!
I want to try the powder in oatmeal, coffee, and hot chocolate. This stuff seems like a real, superior alternative to the powdered whole milk that everyone has a hard time finding.
Who knows? Maybe in a year we'll see a can of Enfalac (now called Enfamil) in every thru-hiker's pack!Mar 21, 2007 at 2:54 pm #1383092
Laurie Ann MarchMember
@laurie_annLocale: Ontario, Canada
I can tell you what the powder tastes like – gross… get a product called Nido (only available in the US – I get my friend to mail it up to me from Georgia). Nido has 26% milk fat – is great for making wicked creamy sauces and hot chocolate. You'll find it in the mexican foods section and it is made by Nestle.
If you are in Canada and can't find it – let me know and I'll see if I can't get my friend to send up an extra can next time.Mar 22, 2007 at 11:17 am #1383196
Guys: just avoid soy-based products all together. The phytoestrogens may "protect your heart" per the hype of the soy industry, but they also shrink other valuable parts and decrease testosterone levels overall. Check out the book "The Whole Soy Story" by Dr. Kaayla T. Daniel for more details.Mar 22, 2007 at 11:45 am #1383197
Laurie, thanks so much for the offer. I live 2 hours north of Seattle but I don't know if the customs officers will believe I went to the states to buy powdered milk!
As for the soy thing, that's scary. I think I read somewhere that women from cultures that eat a lot of soy don't have the terrible symptoms of menopause that North American women do.
That said, when I'm hiking in the winter there are times I'd kill for a hot flash!
BrianMar 22, 2007 at 5:24 pm #1383232
@ouzelLocale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
I don't mean to be a nit picker, but how do the Similac folks come up with 285 cal/100 ml with a content of fat=3.7 g, protein=1.4 g, and carbohydrate=7.2 g? Is this a misprint? I only bring this up because if you use it in the backcountry, you might come up short at a bad time, especially in the winter.Mar 22, 2007 at 6:30 pm #1383236
Milkman also has fat added back to it, making it more nutrient dense and tastier. However, that also shortens the shelf life.Apr 9, 2007 at 6:58 pm #1385388
Ben Tomsky wrote:Quote:I too bring powdered skim milk on backpacking trips, and similarly have been looking for a more calorie dense and nutrious option. I've been looking for a supplier of powdered whole milk or powdered soy milk, but can't find anything. It would be great if people could share if they have any online resources.
At Walmart SuperStores in the Hispanic foods section you will find:
Dry Whole Milk
14 Oz cans. They are yellowish with a picture of milk splashing into a glass.
Serving size 1/3 cup powder makes 1 cup milk (8 Oz)
150 Cal per servine, Cal from Fat 70
Better than dry skim milk.Apr 10, 2007 at 3:22 pm #1385481
@marty-wildegmail-comLocale: Pacific Northwest
Nido does rock! It is very good tasting and IMHO very close to the real milk. Much better than that blah and watery Milk Maid product.
I have not found it in our Oregon Wal-Mart super stores – however you can order it from Amazon.com. It is fairly cheap at roughly $5 for a good sized can.Apr 10, 2007 at 4:19 pm #1385490
Mix Nido with Carnation Instant breakfast for a great milk shake!Apr 10, 2007 at 6:59 pm #1385511
@wandering_bobLocale: Oregon, USA
Just remember, Nido is supposed to be mixed with WARM water, not cold. It has too much fat to dissolve completely in cold water.
I found it in the Asian/Mexican section of my local Albertsons grocery.Apr 18, 2007 at 5:41 am #1386415
I had a heck of a time finding Nido. I asked my local grocery store manager about it and his wholesale suppliers didn't carry it. All the local health food stores weren't familiar with it either. Happened to wander in a local (Price Chopper) grocery store that had signage in english and spanish. They had a whole shelf of the stuff.Apr 18, 2007 at 7:15 am #1386436
I keep my NIDO in the frig, due to the high fat content. It can go rancid in hot weather.Sep 13, 2007 at 1:09 pm #1402087
@demeraradrinkerLocale: Land of Toto
Wow, I found this stuff at the local Walmart in the Latin American food section. This stuff almost makes better milk than real milk.
The shelf life appears to be 1.5 to 2 years–the date on the bottom was 2009. That probably assumes that it is kept in a cool, dry place.
I'm using it in cocoa and oatmeal mixes. Great stuff.
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