Jun 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm #1290807
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Over the years many of you have asked whether (or when) my tents will become available. I tried making them myself for sale but it was too slow and the price was too high. Sigh.
Well, AFTER my Survey and Tutorial on Tunnel Tents was published I was contacted by a large manufacturer of outdoors gear. Based on the Tutorial, they expressed an interest in producing my tents under licence. So, we negotiated, and I have signed an agreement. I repeat, their interest was triggered by the publication of the Tutorial.
Two key items in the agreement are that I will be working with the actual company doing the sewing, and the designs to be produced are subject to my approval. Some readers worried that the design might be degraded if it went into production by someone else: that is not going to happen. My design approval is needed.
Yes, this means we are aiming at the high end of the light-weight market, NOT at the low end where all those pop-ups reign. So the price is not going to be low, but the company thinks it will be affordable.
The first version is expected to be the single-skin 2-man 3-pole summer tent. It will look very similar to the (6-year old) blue one you have seen in my photos, just slightly improved with the benefit of all those years of testing. Weight target: under 1.2 kg, depending on fabrics
If this sells well, we will then move on to the double-skin 2-man 4-pole winter tent, that you will also have seen in some of my photos. Weight target, around 1.5 kg, again depending on fabrics.
The company is Easton Mountain Products, and the tents will be using their carbon fibre poles. Expected (hoped?) delivery is spring/summer 2014. Their comment: "Also we're very excited at the prospect!" Yeah, I'm pretty chuffed too.
CheersJun 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm #1885021
Barry CuthbertBPL Member
@nzbazzaLocale: New Zealand
That is super cool! I'll be in the queue for one.Jun 7, 2012 at 4:53 pm #1885022
Very, very cool. Congratulations and much success!Jun 7, 2012 at 4:55 pm #1885024
drowning in spamMember
2.6 pounds. I might have to get one.
Congrats Roger!Jun 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm #1885025
Eugene SmithBPL Member
@eugeneiusLocale: Nuevo Mexico
I have no foreseeable need for such a tent in the near future, especially living here in NM with our favorable weather, but a big congratulations goes out to you Mr. Caffin on your new endeavor.Jun 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm #1885026
@earn_my_turnsLocale: New England
For the winter one!!! Might take a few years of piggy bank filling but the excitement is high.Jun 7, 2012 at 5:29 pm #1885039
Devin MontgomeryBPL Member
@dsmontgomeryLocale: one snowball away from big trouble
This is so epicly awesome, Roger. All the drooling we have done over these tents in BPL articles will not have been in vain. Any chance we'll get a BPL article on licensing a design or the production process?Jun 7, 2012 at 5:33 pm #1885040
OI! Oi! Oi!
Can't wait – I'll definitely buy one for the winter.Jun 7, 2012 at 5:46 pm #1885044
John WestBPL Member
@skyzoLocale: Borah Gear
Sweet! Count me in for the winter one.Jun 7, 2012 at 5:48 pm #1885045
eric chanBPL Member
it aint "cottage" … so it aint BPL coool ;)
good for you !Jun 7, 2012 at 5:55 pm #1885049
@mjklineLocale: Southern California
2014, as in 2 years from now?Jun 7, 2012 at 5:57 pm #1885051
Easton is really stepping up their game lately. Good on them, and a fantastic opportunity for you Roger to share your expertise with the world!Jun 7, 2012 at 5:58 pm #1885052
Nick TruaxBPL Member
@nicktruaxLocale: SW Montana
That is awesome, Roger! Congrats are in order – can't wait to see em.Jun 7, 2012 at 6:00 pm #1885054
Ken T.BPL Member
I can hardly wait for a certain somebody's response to this news.Jun 7, 2012 at 6:02 pm #1885055
While I found your "reviews" to be completely biased, and to me almost seemed to be selling your product, I do wish you success and look forward to the tent line.Jun 7, 2012 at 6:21 pm #1885062
Looks good! I will want to try it myself rather than rely on reviews. ;-)Jun 7, 2012 at 6:31 pm #1885064
Miguel ArboledaBPL Member
@butukiLocale: Kanto Plain, Japan
I have been keenly interested and ever hopeful of being able to one day get one of your tents since 2002, when I first read your website and all the information you put in there (and when I also had an exchange with you about making one myself). Ten years! Finally they'll be here! Definitely put me on the waiting list!Jun 7, 2012 at 6:37 pm #1885066
Congratulations! It's good to see some excellent quality tents reaching into the mainstream market.Jun 7, 2012 at 6:40 pm #1885068
Tad EnglundBPL Member
@bestbuilderLocale: Pacific Northwest
Man, I leave the computer for a few minutes and look what happens.
Congratulations Roger- I have been trying to figure out how to get my hands on one for years. I didn't want to make the several versions you did to get where they are now.
I just hope the price isn't in the stratosphere.
Put me on the wait list.Jun 7, 2012 at 6:43 pm #1885069
Bradley DanylukBPL Member
Thank you so much for persuing this. The community can only benefit. Could be a game-changer to all manufacturers interested in persuing lightweight designs, and I hope this brings you reward.
I'll probably end up buying both eventually, or maybe just the winter one, depending on pricing.
1) Do you have any concerns over using carbon fiber instead of aluminum for the poles? I understand the stresses of your pole design will be far more suitable to carbon fibre than poles which undergo a bend – however, it seems to me that the apex sections are still not exactly delivering a linear load straight down the poles. Add in strong crosswinds and it gets even more complicated.
2) I'm curious how it's possible to only have a 300g difference between a single-skin 3-pole summer design and a double-skin 4-pole design. I would have expected far more.
PS: Please consider looking into the physics of condensation-reduction benefits of aluminized fabrics. Like I've mentioned… that's my dream tent :)Jun 7, 2012 at 6:46 pm #1885070
Jeffs ElevenBPL Member
People: You can't wait for the winter tent, you gotta buy the summer weight one so we can get TO the winter tent! So everybody buy a summer weight tent- they'll all end up set up once in the back yard, 'not liked', and gear swapped like everything else anyway.
Sierra Designs is about to have a $1500 tent, so even $1000 for "The Caffin Coffin" [;)] doesn't seem so bad.
AND HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ARTICLE IT CONTAINS A LOT OF OPINION!!!
Way to go Rog!!Jun 7, 2012 at 6:53 pm #1885074
Miguel ArboledaBPL Member
@butukiLocale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Barry, the tents haven't even been made yet. Isn't it standard when starting up a new venture to give one design a first shot to see what customer response will be like, and then build up from there? Not sure what you're getting at. At least the tents will now be available! That's more than we've had a chance at ever since Roger first started talking about the tents. (I've always been rather frustrated with the reviews comparing tents in which one of Roger's tents was used, declared the best of the lot, and then the readers never having access to one). I say it's time to rejoice! The criticisms of the tents can come after they go into production and we all get to try them out, no?Jun 7, 2012 at 6:58 pm #1885077
Jeffs ElevenBPL Member
I AM excited about the tents!! very much so
"The Caffin Coffin" came from the thread after the article, somebody was calling him Roger Coffin
And the 'Buy the summer one first" was from my understanding, they are gonna make the summer weight one first and if it sells, move on the the more expensive winter weight model.
I bet these things will be amazingJun 7, 2012 at 6:58 pm #1885078
James MarcoBPL Member
@jamesdmarcoLocale: Finger Lakes
Congradulations, Roger! Well done.Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 pm #1885079
Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
It must give you a feeling of gratification to see your designs recognized by a high end manufacturer AND be asked to work with them.
Can't wait to see the summer tent.
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