Jun 3, 2012 at 1:13 am #1290627
i have been searching for a new sleeping bag (lost my old synthetic one).
i asked and searched around on the web and came across couple of brands:
Go lite adrenaline
Zpacks -7 bag – though this one has significantly less down than the others so i dont think it can actually go for 20F.
so i basically have 3 questions:
1. if badget is NOT an issue which bag should i buy ?
2. Is there some high quality brand that i didnt check? please only if they are of a higher quality than FF and WM.
3. 20F-7C bag is suitable for summer+late summer early fall in europe right?Jun 3, 2012 at 2:30 am #1883460
@abrown3mtgLocale: High Rockies
Ul super stretch are seller. Keep you warm, great loft, very light, and they are stretchy so you don't feel claustraphobic. Best bag I've ever used.Jun 3, 2012 at 3:42 am #1883464
can you post a link to this bag's specs?Jun 3, 2012 at 6:31 am #1883487
the western mountaineering alpinlite if your looking for a 20 deg bag
mines awesome i love it
kevinJun 3, 2012 at 11:43 am #1883557
im really slim.
i will fit the ultralite (which is basically the same back just slimmer) with some extra space :)Jun 3, 2012 at 1:30 pm #1883602
your saying im fat ?? just because i won t fit in an ultralite lol just kidding
the ultralight is too tight for me only because i have wide shoulders
its a fantastic bag though and if you fit i say go for it the alpinlite is much roomier than the ultralite so for my big frame it fits me well
either way you can t go wrong with western mountaineering bags
kevinJun 3, 2012 at 3:00 pm #1883627
that's exactly what i'm trying to find out.
because WM are so expansive i want to make sure that buy this for a long time to come and won't get that "darn i could have paid another 20 bucks and have a batter one " feeling.
so are there higher end down sleeping bags than WM and FF , assuming that budget is not an issue?Jun 3, 2012 at 8:27 pm #1883740
I have an Ultralite. It is my main go to bag for 90% of my trips.
That being said, it is somewhat expensive and I'm not sure you get more for the extra money. I'd still buy another one (or FF model). I like the slimmer size, which is harder to find in mainstream bags.
I would check out Montbell UL Spirals too. You can find them on sale for prices $100-200 less than WM, FF.Jun 3, 2012 at 9:08 pm #1883752
If price is not an issue, you may want to check out Valandre. Those that own them, typically love them. Very high quality materials and workmanship.Jun 3, 2012 at 9:09 pm #1883754
Have you considered Nunatak?
Their alpinist looks interesting. 22 oz for a 6' 20 degree bag. But not cheap..
Nunatakusa.comJun 4, 2012 at 2:54 am #1883791
drowning in spamMember
Try contacting some of the companies mentioned to see if there's anything they can do to make a better bag for you that's not on their websites.Jun 4, 2012 at 6:16 am #1883804
Richard LyonBPL Member
@richardglyonLocale: Bridger Mountains
You're on the right track – FF, Western Mountaineering, Nunatak, and Valandre all make great down bags. My answers to your other questions: #3 Yes, a 20F bag should work in Europe through autumn unless you sleep really cold. #1 – I'd get a Nunatak Back Country Blanket with a few custom features: wider at the shoulders, a few extra ounces of down, and some extra length. That's Nunatak's edge [and why its price premium is justified] – you can tweak the standard models to accommodate your size and preferences.
RichardJun 4, 2012 at 6:18 am #1883805
Richard LyonBPL Member
@richardglyonLocale: Bridger Mountains
Arthur – I have a Valandre Mirage that I'm considering selling. PM me if interested.
RichardJun 4, 2012 at 10:19 am #1883868
I own a Montbell, UL spiral, down, #3 bag purchased about 1 year ago. Love the weight, construction and dual direction zipper. I'm a warm sleeper so I very rarely close the zipper completely. I use the bag for 3 season hiking where temperatures have varied from 30 to 50 degrees F.
My issue with this bag is I tend to over heat and sweat even in low temperatures. It doesn't seem to breath very well, so condensation builds up inside. Montbell told me this is more or less the way the bag is – it's not Goretex!
I was wondering if this is the same with WM and FF brands?Jun 11, 2012 at 7:24 am #1885865
John Markee- you mean this bag :
Lower limit: -1C
Fill power: 650
weight: 879g/ 1lb 15oz
The WM Ultralite is lighter and warmer .
Richard Lyon – Valandre looks good although i rather buy the WM ultralite which is 49 grams havier but has 88 grams more down fill
what do you think?Jun 11, 2012 at 7:36 am #1885866
Arthur, I think John meant this bag:
[EN TESTED]42˚F/ 5˚C(Comfort), 33˚F/ 1˚C(Lower Limit), 6˚F/ -14˚C(Extreme*)
*We do not advise consumers to reference the extreme rating for general use.
800 Fill Power Goose Down
12-denier Ballistic Airlight Nylon
100 wash rated Polkatex® Durable Water Repellant
[Max User Height] 5' 10”
[Inside Shoulder Girth] 57”~68”
[Inside Knee Girth] 46”~55”
[Stuffed Size] φ5.1” x 10.1”
[Weight] 1 lb. 4 oz.
[Fill Weight] 11.0 oz.Jun 11, 2012 at 6:26 pm #1886022
My single-arrow quiver = WM UltralightJun 13, 2012 at 12:30 am #1886450
Marquis Toson – this bag is too cold, only 11 oz. of down fill and en rating of 1C. i think it's too. i think that -7 rating is the most accurate for high altitudes in Europe. so i checked the down hugger #1 which is rated to -9C/15F , but it's really heavy . 2.5 lb/1048g. and expensive 419$.
i still lean towards the WM ultalite . any ideas?
Jason Picard – sorry friend , English isn't my first language. what do you mean by that?Jun 13, 2012 at 10:49 am #1886560
Brian JohnsBPL Member
I have the Down Hugger UL Super Stretch (ridiculous naming convention, I know) No. 2. Have had it for three plus years and it still looks brand new. Handles everything I throw at it from camping under the stars, to tarps to tents. 20-ish to 60-ish, where I just sleep on top. Should probably get a 40 version here shortly, I've (it's) earned it.Jun 13, 2012 at 11:12 am #1886565
Can't find it in the Mont-bell website, only seeing #3 and #1.
can i have a link please.Jun 13, 2012 at 11:32 am #1886571
I got rid of my MB#3 as the baffles were underfilled.
FF or WM is the way to go. WM if you want a bit lighter and FF if you want a more durable, water resistant fabric (UL models compared).
Here is a video on FF and the Nanosphere fabric: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS3SafL8N18Jun 13, 2012 at 11:41 am #1886572
Link .BPL Member
Here is a video for you to see a comparison between the western mountaineering ultralite and a montbell super stretch(not the spiral),he mistakenly says the montbell is sewn though construction but you will still get an idea of what they look like side by sideJun 13, 2012 at 12:22 pm #1886581
Ben CBPL Member
I have the Montbell #3 too. The baffles do feel a little thin but the bag wraps around you well and, in my experience, has kept me pretty warm to around freezing temperatures.
I recently got my new Enlightened Equipment quilt. If I were you I would consider this quilt. It is way more lofty than my Montbell. The fabric feels nicer. It is a lot more versatile. It's even a little cheaper. I would wager that the 30 degree quilt has enough loft to take me to 20 degrees; it really puffs up big. Take a look at their site.Jun 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm #1886588
Brian JohnsBPL Member
Sorry OP, looks like it's been discontinued. It's a 30 degree model. no. 1 is approximately 25F, and no. 3 is closer to 35F. I'm guessing they didn't need a middle model. Anyway, great bag. To me, lofty and warm. Quilts could work too, and are usually lighter. People love Marmot Heliums if you're looking for a more traditional bag. Lots of options these days. It's what I love about living in the future.Jun 13, 2012 at 8:04 pm #1886725
@redpointLocale: British Columbia
WM, FF, and Valandre – That's the big three in the uber high quality sleeping bag arena.
I own 2 WM bags [Caribou 35F, and Alpinlite 20F] and one FF bag [Ibis 0F]. IMHO – I find the WM bags to have a higher level of workmanship and design than FF. The Alpinlite is a beautiful bag – it has far exceeded my expectations. It is a thing of beauty – both WM bags are. The wider bag [both the Caribou and Alpinlite are wider cut] is more comfortable for me and also allows for extending the range with a belay parka etc.
Valandre makes excellent bags as well. I've never owned or even touched one. They are highly sought after and probably have more of a following in Europe [they're French]. There are several Valandre dealers in the US as well.
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