May 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm #1290132
I'm a beginning fisher and want to put together a compact little fly and bubble kit using a my spinning reel and two-piece rod. I hope to catch (or at least pester) trout in mountain lakes and streams (I live in Central Oregon). I've read plenty of articles and a couple books and see a fair assortment of bits and pieces that can be used, but there is little discussion about lightweight kits — fly boxes, what to carry in them, tools, a list of "don't leave home without them" dry flies and nymphs — or about how to keep everything at hand without also bringing a fishing vest.May 20, 2012 at 8:27 pm #1879644
@lopezLocale: San Gabriel Valley
I've done a lot of fishing , especially flyfishing, and recently trimmed my kit to fit my more minimal style these days. I use basically the same bits except alot less of it, including a much smaller fly box. I pack a small stuff sack with my small fishing kit and toss that in my pack until I want to start fishing. Then, I take my kit out of my pack and put all my fishing stuff directly into my pants/shorts pockets. Fishing this way is so much easier and more convenient that I'm surprised I didn't do it sooner. I think chest pockets, zippers and Velcro are just clever torture devices devised by outdoor companies to drive us crazy. Now I reach directly into my pocket and immediately locate exactly what I need.
Small fly box
One spool of Tippett (5x)
Tiny splitshot and indicators go into the fly box with my flies. For bubble fishing you would likely need almost the same exact kit except maybe a couple different size bubbles instead of indicators. I don't know where you fish but in the high Sierra only a basic selection of flies is required. Hare's ear, golden stone, zebra midge, for the bottom. Elk hair, hopper, and parachute adams imitate most dries. These are just standbys that come to mind which I use often, any similar patterns in sizes 16-22 will work just as well for them hungry Iil alpine fish. As for fishing somewhere in more challenging conditions, only your local fisher gurus can tell you what patterns to carry, and often it's critical that you follow their advice and learn their tricks. For instance, on the East Walker you can catch fish on anything, but it wasn't until I mastered high-sticking with a tiny hook on the bottom that I started landing very large fish in that river.
Since going more minimal, I find I enjoy fishing more because I can focus on the hunt and not on gear. Good luck!May 21, 2012 at 11:03 am #1879832
You wrote, "I don't know where you fish but in the high Sierra only a basic selection of flies is required.
My fishing is in the Oregon Cascades and mainly on the eastern slopes. The smaller, higher lakes and streams, not the big bpys, like the Metolius, Whychus Creek, the Deschutes et al which are lower down. Your basic fly selection will probably work okay here.
Thanks for the list, this helps me trim and adjust.May 22, 2012 at 3:45 pm #1880213
@mountainflyLocale: Aurora, Co
I made a simple lanyard out of Para cord, and attached a small flybox, floatant, tippet, clippers, and weight. To attach the weight I simply tie a piece of monofilament to the Para chord, and then I snap the weight to the mono. I store the lanyard in a zip lock bag when it’s in my pack to keep everything together.
I fish allot of high mountain lakes with a flyrod. I love catching fish on big dries, but fish are not always rising, and bugs are not always hatching. I found the best way to consistently hook up with fish when the fishing is tough is to fish a streamer, and then a nymph tied off about 16’’ below the steamer. Good Luck!May 22, 2012 at 5:19 pm #1880234
I keep my tenkara stuff in a zip-lock. I don't take floatant because I just swap to a dry fly. I'd think that it could look much the same, plus a bubble:
The hemostats can clip on my shirt and everything else goes in the zip-lock in a pocket.
For flies with a bubble rig … a dry dropper combination with a size 16 Adams and size 16 hare's ear nymph (or copper john) might be worth a try.
(One advantage of tenkara is that it's 6 oz, rod included. Another is the whole "one fly" thing.)May 22, 2012 at 5:32 pm #1880239
BTW, a Parachute Adams is easier to see, but at least for me, a regular Adams gets more hits.May 22, 2012 at 5:39 pm #1880240
@davidpasseyLocale: New York City
I have had a lot of luck lately with really wild woolybugger patterns–silver with red tails and white body hackle as an example.May 23, 2012 at 8:47 am #1880383
Any you guys take floatant with you?May 23, 2012 at 8:56 am #1880387
Floatant is great, and will extend the use of one dry fly from a few minutes to … maybe ten or fifteen? Something like that. I use my bottle of Loon Outdoors Aquel when I"m fishing dries with my regular fly rod and heavier kit.
But I'd think it is optional for a UL trip, especially if you pre-treat a few flies.
Of course, another advantage of that $45 tenkara rod is that you typically fish wet flies.May 23, 2012 at 9:07 am #1880391
Maybe I shouldn't push tenkara too hard … while it works for small streams, and should work along lake edges or where streams enter lakes, it won't have the reach of a spinning rod. So for the lighter weight you make "dinner getting" a little harder work, with a little longer odds.May 23, 2012 at 9:45 am #1880401
. . . is the kind of rig I want. Here, in the Central Oregon Cacades, esp. on the east (drier) side, the mountain streams are very small and probably not great for trout. It's the pretty little high mountain lakes that I am interested in fishing, so I need more reach than tenkara provides.
For floatant, I think just a mini-dropper will be just fine.May 23, 2012 at 10:18 am #1880409
I'd be happy to come try sometime ;-).May 23, 2012 at 10:53 am #1880425
Stephen BarberBPL Member
It was on the wet side of the Cascades, but I was shocked when fishing a tiny bathtub sized pool in a dinky little stream for cutthroats when a yard long salmon/steelhead (?) launched itself from nearly under my feet up the 1' falls at the head of the bathtub!
Scared the liver out of me!
A talk later with a DFG guy had him telling me there was no chance of anything that large being in that creek.
May you also be surprised by what "isn't" there!May 23, 2012 at 11:24 am #1880433
Marc SheaBPL Member
You may want to take a look at the fourums over at http://www.watrailblazers.org and Hilakers.org. These organizations are responsible for stocking fry and doing fish counts in Washington. They are a couple of organiztations that ensure the success of the High Lakes fishery in Washington. Anyway, of note is this thread that goes through a series of favorite lures and flies for the cascades. http://watrailblazers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=222
Personally, I use a Shakespeare Travel Mate rod and reel that I have had for a number of years. Of the telescoping rods on the market, in my opinion, these are some of the best. Keep an eye out for 50% off sales at Big5 as often times you can get a 4'6" Shakespeare telescoping rod and reel for around $15.00. In my experience the Shakespeare rods tend to take more abuse than other similarly priced telescoping rods. Of course, YMMV.
Finally, you can check out the Emmrod. They can be a little pricey, and there is a learning curve to using them, but they are a pretty bulletproof packrod. http://www.emmrod.comMay 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm #1880453
@nickoliLocale: Teh Front Range
what kinds of spinning reels are you guys using? I have the shakesphere 4'6" collapsible pole and i just threw on a zebco 11 mini spincaster. I'm a little worried about the mostly plastic, made in china composition of the zebco lasting my entire thru hike though.May 23, 2012 at 2:33 pm #1880479
Stephen wrote, "May you also be surprised by what 'isn't' there!"
I get that. And thanks! If nothing else it makes for a great adventure and a good story.
But applying Mike Clelland's suggestion that one look at one's gear list and separate it into "needs" and "wants," I don't "need" to bring a fishing rig at all because I don't try to live off the land. It's a "want."
I reckon that if I'm going to pack a "want," I'll bring the rig most likely to be of use, as there are hundreds of lakes with trout and I'll venture not so many Leviathans living in washtubs.
John says he'd like to try his hand at tenkara fishing on the dry side of the Oregon Cascades. Well, c'mon over!
Marc: thanks for the links to other forums. The lures/flies thread is an excellent resource! I'm going to see if I can find any forums for Oregon that are similar to the Washington Stage high lakes fish/fry ones.May 23, 2012 at 3:01 pm #1880491
@pgibsonLocale: SW Idaho
You would be surprised at just how well Tenkara works on lakes. 2 years ago all I was fishing was Fly and bubble off a spin rig. Last year I committed to try Tenkara on the mountain lakes over here in Idaho. I never caught more fish faster than on my Tenkara setup. No I can't cast 60 feet but I can cast 20-25 foot of line easily and 90% of the time that if far to much. 12-15 foot of line is more than sufficient. When the fish are cruising the edges of a lake I found that I was often having to back up to cast the fly along the waters edge.
The trip that convinced me was one were we set up the bubble rig and were catching good 6-10 inch fish regularly with a bead head black bugger but as we stood there on the bank of the lake we were having 12-16 inch fish cruising at our feet out to about 10 foot out. There was no way to cast the bubble rig in that close and not spook the fish. Trying to reel in the fly to that range we would loose the motion in the fly as it got so close to the rod tip. I removed the bubble, added a hopper and cast the line ala Tenkara and immediately got strikes.
Tenkara works great on lakes when your sight fishing with drys or even drifting a nymph. I am now 100% Tenkara (better by selling them) and my favorite fishing is on lakes. Just saying Tenkara is not limited in any way when it comes to lake fishing.May 23, 2012 at 3:15 pm #1880497
Marc SheaBPL Member
Nicholas, I use the Shakespeare reels that come with the Travel Mate kits. I have not had any problems with them and they seem to hold up well. I have read good things about the Okuma Ultralite 10 as far as durability.May 23, 2012 at 3:32 pm #1880504
Paul, I am attracted to straight fly fishing — did it decades ago when I had a budget for such things — but that rig has long since gone missing. Tenkara also intrigues me.
I've just retired and gone on Social Security so I have to watch my pennies. I already got the spinning rig. So that's what I'm gonna go with. Adding a few bubbles and some flies is a lot less expensive than getting into another rig altogether.
I've got a couple friends who fly fish exclusively and tease me for being a "hardware fisherman," but I like that my rig is the more blue-collar.
But let's please keep this thread on subject, which is UL fly-and-bubble rigs. You tenkara guys can start yer own darn thread. G'wan, get outta here.May 23, 2012 at 5:03 pm #1880525
I wouldn't call it my Fly & Bubble rig, because I never use a F&B, but my high country lakes outfit is a 4 piece St. Croix light spinning rod with a Shimano Ci4 microline reel. Weighs about 11 oz. fully spooled and ready for business. Casts a 1/4 oz. spinner over 100' with ease. A joy to bring in 12" brookies on.
I keep thinking I'm going to try the F&B technique, but still have not gotten around to it. Maybe this year. I've always been pretty content to toss metalic lures or a Rapala. I think the ability to cast long distances is a significant asset using these lures on spooky fish in clear water. When the artificials are failing and I really want to catch fish, I've found terretrials from around the water I'm fishing to often be deadly – live hoppers or small red worms normally being the easiest to come by.
– DaveMay 23, 2012 at 5:07 pm #1880529
Oh, and my kit consists of nothing more than a Leatherman PS 4 (~2 oz, w/pliers, knife and scissor) and a couple ounces worth of assorted lures, a few #8 bait hooks, ant swivels, a few small split shot, a pair of 1/4 oz egg sinkers (the ticket for fishing the red worms!) and a dozen yards of hydrocarbon leader material. Just pile everything but the Leatherman in a ziplock and stuff it in a shirt pocket.
– DaveMay 23, 2012 at 5:34 pm #1880536
@rp3957Locale: The Sierras
I too have had good success with my Shakespeare collapsible rod for many years now using the fly and bubble method. I have a kit that will fit in a very small pouch. I carry a micro-Leatherman, various dry flies, and a couple of clear bubbles that allow me to put a little water in them for casting weight based on how far out I need to cast. I can twist it on my line and I usually just leave 1 1/2' – 2' of line between the clear bobber and the dry fly. I usually catch and release, so I pre-pinch most of my barbs ahead of time. I usually keep a couple intact just in case I get REAL hungry out there.May 23, 2012 at 6:30 pm #1880553
Robert: I practice catch and release, too. I have no intention of eating the little fishies (unless I learn the manly arts of (1) cleaning and (2) scaling and (3) cooking over some kind of highly-functional UL cook setup because it's a rare place here in the western U.S. where fires are allowed), so squeezed-down barbs are part of the plan.
Truth is, I am a lousy fisherman, so just getting the fly out in the water w/o losing it in the shrubbery or hooking my ear is thrill enough.May 23, 2012 at 6:34 pm #1880554
@rp3957Locale: The Sierras
Too funny! Yeah, the whole cooking and cleaning and the extra weight of the cooking and seasoning them is a major reason I don't hassle with keeping them. It is nice to know I could at least catch them if I had to survive, but ( knock on wood ), that has never been an issue!May 23, 2012 at 8:08 pm #1880582
Mike MBPL Member
I use a small pack rod and mostly fish w/ spinners. Last summer I was at a lake in the Pintlers w/ my wife and was having absolutely no luck w/ spinners. My wife said there were some small grasshoppers near our tent, I did have some small #10 hooks in my "tackle box", but needed to figure out a bobber. Ended up trying a microdropper that had Bronner's in it. It worked like a charm, I ended up landing a 3-4 lb monster cutbow on 2# test :) It was too big to eat, so I let it go. A few more casts and we had a 14" cutthroat that was just right for the grill.
My grill weighs just over 1 ounce and the seasonings I bring maybe a 1/2 oz, fresh trout for supper- priceless :)
I've now added a small clear bobber to my kit for when the spinners aren't working.
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