Hilleberg Tent thread

[David Ure]

You should just be able to fit without touching the inner tent but it will depend on the loft of the bag. It is nowhere near as bad as the Nallo or Anjan with respect to a sloping wall by your feet. You can also sleep at an angle for a little more effective length. Head room is excellent.

[Ken Thompson]

+1 w/Dave I'm 6'3" and sleep on a Neoair. It is long enough. I nned to add some photos of me in the tent for the review I posted on the first page of this thread.

[diego dean]

Photos would be great! Probably going to get either the Unna or the Kaitum 2.

Also, if anybody has specs on the packed size of either of these that would be great. My understanding is that they come with a larger than neccesary stuff bag, but Id like to know max pole section length and the minimum sized stuff bag that either could fit.

[Charles Jennings]

"So folks, anyone else have any thoughts on the Anjan."

Stephen – If you live in the U.K., I would probably steer you towards one of their 4 season models where the outer fabric goes all the way to the ground. I am only saying that due to exposure and driving rains in your area.

I used the Anjan for 5 days in the Winds, right at Tree line, we found a cluster of trees for protection. We encountered two days and nights of high winds and rain. Sometime the winds were "pounding" in the middle of the night. I had the Anjan guyined out properly and it was solid with very little movement. The trees helped to dampen the wind gusts as well. Rain only entered the bottom of the vestibule only two or three inches, not a big deal. I just moved my stuff closer to the middle.

For somebody that wants to cut weight and bulk, but still have a secure shelter, the Anjan is a great choice. It DOES REQUIRE MORE ATTENTION in regards to site selection, positioning with respect to the wind direction, and other details. I have taken tarp clients with me, and they are very careful and very experienced in their setup with their tarps.

Since I normally use packgoats on our guided trips, weight is not an issue with us, so I have since sold the Anjan and now use the Nammatj, which I dearly love, based on where I live and hike.

Much has been said about the sloping end of the Nallo and Anjan, usually by posters that do not have actual field experience with either shelter. It has rarely been an issue with me. In fact, I chose to sleep in the Anjan with my head towards the sloping end and the foot of my bag towards the door, during our 5 day stay in the winds last September, and it worked fine for me. I used an Exped UL 7 (LW) mat and a Montbell SS UL #1. I am 6' 1" and had no issues with innter tent length, as I said.

FYI, http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Backpacking-Tent-Reviews Note the Editor's choice award for the Anjan after extensive use in the field.

DISCLAIMER : I have been an authorized Hilleberg Retailer for Approx. 10 years. Having said that, I also have actual field experience with every one of their tent models, except the Rajd.

[Charles Jennings]

"Photos would be great! Probably going to get either the Unna or the Kaitum 2.

Also, if anybody has specs on the packed size of either of these that would be great. My understanding is that they come with a larger than neccesary stuff bag, but Id like to know max pole section length and the minimum sized stuff bag that either could fit."

Kaitum is an awesome tent. Doug Johnson here at BPL posted a great review in year's past. Keep in mind that the Kaitum is a long tent and takes up considerable real estate.

As I recall, the stuff sack dimensions for the Kaitum are approx. 6" X 20". Couldn't find it in the catalogue, I'll check some more places.

[David Ure]

Charlie, given you had an Unna, how did it compare to the Anjan?

I miss my Nammatj. I liked how the foot end sloped at a less aggressive angle than the Nallo.

[Charles Jennings]

Nallo in the Winter at zero degree temps. Valandre Thor expedition bag.

[Ken Thompson]

17" sections

I've only used the supplied bag.

[David Ure]

Not much room for person number 2. How much was the foot end of the bag touching the inner?

[Charles Jennings]

"Charlie, given you had an Unna, how did it compare to the Anjan?"

Yep, I have owned the Unna. REALLY like it for a solo shelter. Now that I am 55 yrs old, I prefer to have more room in the inner space than when I was younger. I liked the small footprint of the unna, and it sets up fast. I also like the free standing nature, where I can shake out the pine needles (that got inside the tent) the next morning. The Unna opens wide for easy access for entering and exiting. Kinda miss the vestibule on it, but it wasn't a deal breaker. Tons of room inside for one person. Strong tent for conditions that are less demanding than what the Nammatj can handle.

The Unna is 14 oz. heavier than the Anjan, so the Anjan excels when I am weight conscious, IMO. The Anjan is romy as well, but with a front entry, as you know. Very different models for different uses.

[David Ure]

Darn….I think I want an Unna now. But the Anjan looks like it as more features…..do you provide group discounts? ; )

[Charles Jennings]

"Not much room for person number 2. " Ha! you're funny David. Did you take a good look at the SIZE of the bag I was using? The Thor is a beast, with 12+" of loft. -50 bag. Of course it is gonna take up tons of room.

"How much was the foot end of the bag touching the inner?" Wasn't that noticeable, but maybe I just don't fret about it. I put my hard shell over the foot of the bag and it works for me.

[David Ure]

That was the point. That is one ENORMOUS bag.

[Diplomatic Mike]

I realise this is a Hillie thread, but folk discussing carrying a heavy house somehow seems weird on BPL.
Anyone can carry a house?

[Charles Jennings]

"Darn….I think I want an Unna now. But the Anjan looks like it as more features…..do you provide group discounts? ; )"

Ha! Not if I wanna keep my dealership! But I do throw in a footprint for free. :-)

Buy BOTH David. You make more money than most of us here! ;-)

[Charles Jennings]

"I miss my Nammatj. I liked how the foot end sloped at a less aggressive angle than the Nallo."

I also like the rear vent that the Nammatj has.

[David Ure]

My kids are sucking my disposable income dry.

Yes! The ventilation in the Nammatj is excellent.

Mike, its nothing that a little quad strength can take care of.

[Stephen M]

Thanks Charles of your post.

I was looking at the Anjan 2 for trips with my buddy or wife but after checking out the pictures on Moontrail decides against it.

I never hear of someone using Pack goats, maybe pack in Ireland we should start using Pack sheep ;-)

[Doug Smith]

Great updates to the thread on the Anjan! Thanks for the photos.

Ever since I saw Charles' packgoats on 24hourcampfire I've been in love with the idea. Tried convincing the wife we desperately NEED some pack goats. Since I live in an apartment and have two decent sized dgos, space will be a concern. Hahahaha

Ken, thanks as always for the Unna info. I'm actually going to send you a PM/ email with specific Unna questions if you don't mind.

Peter, I also bought one of their bivanoraks. I bought mine to use for an emergency kit, and to take on long day-hikes in case I get stuck out at night (and in my SAR pack). In other words, a shelter for when I'm not planning on needing one.

[Peter Evans]

I'm amazed the Anjan 3 or the Anjan 2 GT (huge extended vestibule) are both lighter than the Unna… and barely heavier than the Atko.

Even for solo trips I'd rather take a larger tent at the same weight.
It's hard to pick between them… they are all good designs.

The Anjan 3 is 1.7 Kg. it must be huge inside for 3 to fit.
The Anjan 2 is 1.5 Kg with a regular vestibule and lots of space inside.
The Atko is 1.3 Kg and looks like it could be pretty cramped inside for a big galloot like me.
The Unna is 1.9 Kg with no vestibule.

In terms of comfort and usability the Anjan in looking like a winner.
Am I missing something?

I don't want to buy the wrong tent… I want the right one, at these prices I can only buy one!

[Ken Thompson]

Shorter poles and thinner fabric along with small interiors make the Anjans lighter. The two person is about the same size, but smaller inside than the Unna. The Unna is also 4 season rated.

[Doug Smith]

Dave, you're not the only one who misses your Nammatj. I had the Nammatj 2 (the sand colored tent on the second or third page of this thread), for only a very short time. I quickly realized that staking was a pain in the butt, and traded the nammatj back in because of it.

That was a real mistake. The Nammatj 2 has a TON of room for a 2 person, bombproof tent. And as for staking, sure, it can be a pain, but there is always a way to make it work. I really wish I'd given the Nammatj more of a chance, I kind of feel like a moron for trading it in. But on the other hand, if you don't care about weight, my Tarra and Saitaris are outstanding tents, they just aren't suited for backpacking, unless the weight is well split up.

A big +1 to what Charles said about the sloping back wall of some Hillebergs. I read tons of horror stories about the Nallo and Nammatj back wall sloping and lack of room because of it. Like Charles, I actually prefered to sleep (and it worked just fine), with my head at the sloped end of the Nammatj. Even the 2 man was plenty big enough for me to do it without a problem.

Now I'm looking at a 1 or 2 man Hille to have as a summer-time solo, or solo+dog backpacking tent. I ahve a couple I'm considering, mainly because I love the Hilleberg's strength for using with a dog. Besides, these tents are like crack. hahahaha It's like a super expensive stamp collection. :P

[Stephen M]

Doug,

I had a crawl around in a Nammajt 2 in a shop in Boulder last summer and really like it, in the end I purchased a Kaitum 3 instead (got a great deal on Gear swap), its a perfect tent for 3 people for a few days and an absolute place for 2, the 3 pole spans make if fairly stong also.

What tents are you considering for summer solo? The Unna with a mesh inner would be a nice option, allowing bug free space for your dog.
As mentioned realiser I use a Soulo but for summer I have a Tarp Tent Stratosphire 1, I did look at the Anjan 2 for both solo trips and for trips with the wife buy decided against it.

[Stuart .]

Ha! I like that, Doug. Given Hilleberg's propensity to increase prices ~10% annually over the long haul you may be right. And the 'bergs will be a dang sight more durable in the rain… Not quite as compact, and nowhere as easy to admire from within your apartment, however.

On the advice of NWHiker, who sold me my first 'berg, I almost picked up a Nammatj 3GT for its incredible vestibule and mesh-covered vents and door. I tried a Nallo 3GT for its lighter weight, but it didn't gel with me, due to the sloping roof. I did love the way you could roll back the end of the GT vestibule to create a covered porch, though.

[Stephen M]

They definitely are a super expensive stamp collection but cheap compared to the toys I see guys at work buying (and hardly ever using)

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