Mar 15, 2012 at 7:27 am #1287162
Looking for a new stove and don't want to spend a lot of money. I don't really care what kind of fuel it uses. Any recommendations are greatly appreciated.Mar 15, 2012 at 7:40 am #1854129
Diana NevinsBPL Member
@artemisLocale: Great Plains
If you genuinely don't care what fuel it uses, and if you own some aluminum foil and a paper hole punch, you can't beat the cost of a Fancy Feast alcohol stove. Scrounge a cat food can or a tuna fish can out of the recycling bin, spend a few minutes punching holes in the can and fashioning a windscreen from a strip of aluminum foil, and there's your new stove. It doesn't get any simpler or cheaper than that!Mar 15, 2012 at 7:43 am #1854130
Diana NevinsBPL Member
@artemisLocale: Great Plains
You might also want to take a look at the Caldera cone systems (the Tri-Ti and the Sidewinder, in particular). They're slightly over your budget at $80, and you may need to replace your current pot if it's not one that works with the system, but it can burn alcohol, Esbit tablets, or wood. Very versatile!Mar 15, 2012 at 8:10 am #1854142
Thanks for the suggestions Diana.Mar 15, 2012 at 8:29 am #1854152
Philip DelvoieBPL Member
@philipdLocale: Ontario, Canada
Another vote for the fancy feast stove.
Here is a great how-to video that Skurka had put together:Mar 15, 2012 at 9:45 am #1854192
Nick GatelBPL Member
@ngatelLocale: Southern California
Really need to know how you cook and how you hike.
I normally use a Caldera Cone set-up with Esbit first and alcohol second. But this is really just for boiling. Also the Cone and pot (if using a beer keg) are easily subjected to damage. But Trail Designs will have a system that fits your budge.
For best all around stove I would recommend a Snow Peak manual GigaPower ~ $40, a Monatauk Gnat ~ $60, or a Snow Peak LitMax ~ $60. Keep in mind that the LiteMax has aluminum threads for the canister and can be easily damaged if you are not careful. The Gnat is the lightest. These stoves do not do well in wind or cold weather under freezing.
For cold weather, then you are probably going to need to exceed your budget. The MSR WindPro II can use an inverted canister and comes with a windscreen. Stove alone almost weighs 7 oz. Cost is ~ $99. You could also go with a liquid gas stove such as a MSR Whisperlite or Dragonfly, both above your budget.Mar 15, 2012 at 10:09 am #1854208
David ChenaultBPL Member
@davecLocale: Crown of the Continent
Cat food can for warm weather solo cooking. 35 cents
Primus Express Spider for all-season and bigger groups. 50 bucks.Mar 15, 2012 at 10:20 am #1854213
John DonewarBPL Member
@newtonLocale: Southeastern Louisiana
Do you drink beer, eat soup and own a paper punch?
Uses Yellow Heet or Everclear for fuel.
Soup can lid underneath the stove is the priming pan. Use the paper punch to make the holes in the stove. Cut the bottle to the desired length with a hacksaw and file or sandpaper edges smooth.
After the jet holes blossom the stove serves as its own pot stand.
NewtonMar 15, 2012 at 10:28 am #1854218
Konrad .BPL Member
Depending on Fuel or season, I recommend the following:
Alcohol: Cat Can stove
Esbit: Caldera Cone (preferably with the Heineken Keg can, if still available, or the
Gas Canister: 3-season use: Monatauk Gnat; 4-season use: Primus Express Spider, or
Jetboil Sol (either Ti or Aluminum)
White Gas: I'm not going to Everest, so this is useless to me.Mar 15, 2012 at 10:30 am #1854219
USA Duane HallBPL Member
@hikerduaneLocale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
I bought a new MSR Dragonfly the other day on eBay, but the pump was damaged, but I had a pump that will work with it. A stovie buddy got a used once once with a good pump and goodies for the same price a few days later. I also got a SP Giga Power GS100 for $25, used lightly which may be more in line with what us bpers may use more often.
DuaneMar 15, 2012 at 10:54 am #1854228
Hikin’ JimBPL Member
@hikin_jimLocale: Orange County, CA, USA
I'm with Nick that it really matters what you want to do with a stove.
There are some good recommendations here that I've seen so far.
The cat food can stove is a good one if you just want to check out alcohol stoves without a lot of investment or commitment. Alcohol stoves are typically very light, but they're slow and don't usually have good flame control (but there are exceptions).
The Snow Peak GigaPower that Nick recommended above is a really nice canister gas stove. It's my pick for a "starter" stove. The LiteMax that Nick recommended is also great but a little more money. You can buy the Kovea Supalite (sometimes called the Camp 56) which is basically the same stove with a different label for a lot less. Kovea is a relatively unknown brand in the US but if you buy Kovea, you can often get a cheap deal on a good stove.
If you're looking for a winter stove, those are generally more.
A good wood burner is also more, but you do same weight and dollars since you just scavenge fuel off the forest floor.
ESBIT type stoves are super light, but the fuel's a little pricey, and there's no flame control.Mar 15, 2012 at 11:01 am #1854236
Hikin’ JimBPL Member
@hikin_jimLocale: Orange County, CA, USA
David Chenault wrote: Primus Express Spider for all-season and bigger groups. 50 bucks.
Good pick. As David says, the Primus Express Spider has all season capabilities, probably down to 0F/-18C if you run with the canister upside down and use a 80/20 isobutane-propane mix.Mar 15, 2012 at 11:02 am #1854237
If your hikes are mostly under a week and your 'cooking' is limited to boiling water to rehydrate oatmeal and dinners… then I heartily second Diane's alcohol stove recommendation! Alcohol stoves are the lightest, most compact stoves around. They work! And they are dirt cheap.
Gigapower is a good stove. I've got one. But I find myself using my home made alky stove much more often.Mar 15, 2012 at 11:58 am #1854270
Just for clarification, most of my hikes are 2-4 nights and rarely occur below freezing (I do live in Georgia after all). I appreciate all the responses.
Id like to purchase a stove, maybe the gigapower, and also make an alcohol stove. From the way it sounds, that shouldn't be too hard. Thanks againMar 15, 2012 at 12:02 pm #1854272
@keith_bassettLocale: Pacific NW
For your alcohol stove reading, zenstoves.net.
They have lots of different designs to choose from. The fancy feast is hard to beat, but the pressurized stoves made from pop cans are really fun to build. :)Mar 15, 2012 at 12:24 pm #1854289
I'd encourage you to make your own, as your type of hikes is PERFECT for alky stoves!
But if you want to buy a Gigapower, then I urge you to buy in person at a brick/mortar store if there are any within reasonable distance. Why? Take a look at the pic below:
Looks like the stove compacts down nicely. But in reality, when compacted down, the 'closed' position of the adjustment wire valve may not align at all, but jut out anywhere from a few degrees to an annoying 45 degrees! That means you have to leave the valve at some open position in order to have it collapse down properly. And then before you screw the stove onto your fuel canister, you have to remember to FIRST shut the valve completely — or face an annoying fuel blast when screwing the stove onto the canister!
I looked at probably 6 or 7 Gigapower stoves at REI before finding the one I now have — where fully closed, the valve folds down nicely aligned with the stove body — and everything compacting down properly.Mar 15, 2012 at 1:49 pm #1854334
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Yes, you are correct that the valve must be left in a slightly open state if you want to fold the handle up. Ever thought that this otherwise fine stove might be like this for a very good reason?
By requiring you to crack the valve open before you store it away, they have protected the valve against jamming and damage. It's a feature, not a fault. (And typical of careful Japanese engineering.)
CheersMar 15, 2012 at 1:56 pm #1854337
Randy NelsonBPL Member
"For your alcohol stove reading, zenstoves.net.
They have lots of different designs to choose from. The fancy feast is hard to beat, but the pressurized stoves made from pop cans are really fun to build. :)"
There goes any free time he had for the next few weeks. :)Mar 15, 2012 at 2:12 pm #1854344
Yeah, I've read about this too. But IMO, it's a solution in search of a problem. Yes, maybe somebody cranked the valve so tight as to damage it. But really, how prevalent is this?
I used to own a PocketRocket and a Coleman F1 — and no problem whatsoever with keeping their valves at "closed" position.
As well, playing with the 6 or 7 stoves at REI, the adjustment valves jut out at all different directions (angles) when turned to the closed position — including one that just happened to align nicely with the stove body (mine). This tells me they are most unlikely the result of any precise Japanese design / engineering with forethought. More likely, it was an after-the-fact marketing non-explanation issued to the public as to why these things jut out all differently — and not compacting down nicely as they should.Mar 16, 2012 at 5:42 am #1854607
Steven HanlonBPL Member
@asciibaronLocale: Mid Atlantic
i have a Gigastove with a piezo and love it. never had any problem folding the handle, mine gets wrapped in a bit of bandana and then placed in my Snowpeak 700mL pot with the fuel canister. i don't use the plastic case that came with it – way too heavy and it doesn't fit in the pot!
the cat stove is a good choice for warm weather when all you need to do is boil water. i'm making a new one today for my overnighter this weekend. 2 ounces of fuel and 0.4 oz for the stove and i will have hot water for dinner and coffee the following morning :)Mar 16, 2012 at 5:50 am #1854611
Ken T.BPL Member
You can also just unhook one side of the wire handle and it too will lay flat against the stove.
My Giga has always folded fine.Mar 16, 2012 at 7:23 am #1854646
W I S N E R !BPL Member
I have the Ti Giga without the piezo. Best canister stove I've ever owned, it's served me well for over 4 years with no maintenance. Don't let turning the handle to fold and store it discourage you, it's hardly a big deal. Who doesn't check to make sure the valve isn't open on any stove before screwing it onto a canister?
Giga GS(T)100 scored amongst the lowest on monoxide emissions of every canister stove tested.
Some comparable stoves tested nearly (or even over) 100 times higher in CO2 output. Compare it on the chart with the MSR Pocket Rocket.Mar 16, 2012 at 8:37 am #1854678
I havea Gigastove, great stove, but I never use it:
For trips where I want/need to minimize weight, I use an alcohol stove or esbit. For trips where I don't (car camping, overnighters, canoe trips, etc) I use an MSR Dragonfly. I really dislike having to buy the canisters, and having a pile of half-full canister sitting around. White gas and alcohol (I use methanol) is cheap and you can refill your own containers, that aspect of both fuels is a real selling point for me.
For $75, I think a free-ish MYOG alcohol stove, and a used MSR whitegas stove cover all your bases: you have a lightweight system, a winter snow melting system, a large-group system, a car camping system.
Just my two cents.Mar 16, 2012 at 9:21 am #1854702
Andy FBPL Member
A campfire or small twig fire…
Because the best stove is none, Cost, weight, and fuel weight is zero.
I know that's not always possible though, which is probably why you've posted this question in the first place. :)Mar 16, 2012 at 3:29 pm #1854873
Mike MBPL Member
the Giga is simple, light, hardy and reasonably priced- tough combo to beat
I do use a 4 Dog wood stove quite often for solo use (burning both wood & Esbit), but it takes a little more prep work and boiling times are slower than a canister stove
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