Windshirt suggestions?

I LOVE my Patagonia Houdini. If you are willing to wait, they do go on sale (about 20%) from time to time…

I have a Montbell UL wind shirt. Was never that happy with it. Fit kind of tight and didn't breath well. Eventually I got a Houdini on sale.

I LOVE my Patagonia Houdini TOO.

Sometimes you have to wonder why so many people like a certain product. This is one of them, it just works fantastic. Sometimes I wear it around town, which ticks my wife off, since I pull it out of my pack and it stinks if I haven't washed it lately.

Just be patient and find one on sale.

Do any of you have experience wearing the houdini over a down jacket? Does it compress the down in the sleeves like the featherlite does?

I would bring you back to Montane – I have the Lightspeed and absolutely love it. It is a longer cut, which I like high exposed in the mountains….I do find Montane run a bit small so definitely size up if you plan on layering.

Patagucci is overrated (that one is for you, Eric)

"Do any of you have experience wearing the houdini over a down jacket? Does it compress the down in the sleeves like the featherlite does?"

When it's cold out, I wear my Houdini over my Montbell UL down inner jacket. The Houdini has a slim, elastic wrist cord at the end of each sleeve. But there is no compression of the down insulation at the sleeves themselves.

The one caveat: the Houdini's are sized smaller than usual — so if you buy, size up by one size.

I picked up an EB Sirocco about a week ago; it looked like a promising Houdini replacement at a much better price point. (Currently listed at $40.)

Here's the arm; this is with it worn over an EB Downlight Sweater:

I have a older (you couldn't tell…at all) Patagonia Helium wind shirt I'd sell ya. Size medium. I'd let it go for $40 or so. Half zip.

I don't know if they still have any but I just picked up the backcountry.com Stoic Wraith. The bright yellow in large was $27 or something.

i have an older marmot ion hooded windshirt at @ 3.5 ounces (dull orange color size L) i would sell. pm me if you want details…

Worth looking at the Rab Cirrus, too.

On sale @ http://www.prolitegear.com for $87.98.

http://www.prolitegear.com/rab-cirrus-wind-top.html?opt=x-large%20/%20beluga

I've done this with the Montane Lightspeed over a Nunatak Skaha and it was acceptable. There might have been some down compression but nothing serious.

I can't really tell about Montane sizes other than I'm 5'8", usually a M, and I have a M Lightspeed that fits loose and a S Featherlite that fits me tight, both of them fine in their own style.

This is the Lightspeed over the Skaha:

You have to watch it with Montane if you want to wear it over a down jacket.

I bought my first Featherlite Smock several years ago and it's been an amazing jacket. I can easily wear it over my Montbell Down Inner jacket with room to spare (no down compression anywhere).

I decided to buy a new one this year as the old one is looking a little old and I was shocked to find that Montane has trimmed it down considerably. Both tops are size XL but I can barely get a 100 weight fleece under the new one. It's cut very trim. The length of the sleeves and drop tail are the same as the old one but the cut across the chest is much narrower. Unless you are very trim, I wouldn't recommend the Montane if you are planning on layering.

I second the Stoic Wraith (especially for the price). I would definitely size up though if you want to layer. I'm usually a small (sometimes mediums are a tent on me) and my wraith barely fits over my MB Down Inner. Not much compression but I think I would have preferred a size medium for my windshirt. I even prefer a trim cut, but with no mechanical stretch a medium would be more comfortable..

I have one from GoLite that's probably about 3 oz; it's a zipneck pulover, no hood. I really like it in Fall, Winter, and early Spring.

Obviously there are many options. I personally have the EB Sirocco and love it. It does provide enough roominess to put over a down sweater or similar layer. I also like the hood which provides nice chin coverage as well when fully zipped up.

That Wraith is nice and light and looks like a great deal. Do you all like it?

I like it so far. I won't be getting any significant use out of it for another couple weeks for some spring hiking in Utah. Compared to my Lightspeed it is 2.5 oz vs 6.5. It is definitely more breathable — won't be getting that instant warmth from the Lightspeed but I also won't be putting on and taking off depending on if I'm in the shade or sunshine.

Any chance anyone has both used a Houdini and Litespeed and can comment on breathability and DWR?

The following concern 2012 versions of both:

Litespeed fits much trimmer. I wouldn't put more than a trim 200 weight fleece under the Litespeed, while a light down jacket fits under the Houdini no problem. Torso length is comparable, Houdini sleeve length is a bit longer. The Houdini has the cinch cord in the back of the hood, which makes it more adaptable than any other windshirt discussed here.

Both have excellent DWR. Breathability and wind resistance is pretty comparable.

FWIW, the Rab Cirrus has a slightly more generous fit than the Litespeed, longer sleeves than the Houdini, and excellent DWR. I find it less breathable than either the Houdini or Litespeed.

(Yep, we're doing a windshirt SOTMR.)

I own both the Litespeed & Houdini and like both. Scratch that….LOVE both.

But the Litespeed is heavier and adds a bit more warmth. Added warmth can be good or a hindrance, depending on conditions. I usually don't look to my windshirt for warmth, per se, so the Houdini usually wins out.

The Houdini is more "no frills", which I like, too.

In contrast to Dave's comment, my Litespeed is longer in the torso than my Houdini (both Large), which I REALLY appreciate.

Add to all this that the Litespeed is my preferred jacket around town and I hopelessly can't get rid of either one!

I can wear my Montbell down inner or my BPL primaloft vest under both windshirts.

My recommending one over the other comes down to this: if you want the lighter of the two with no frills other than the adjustable hood, get the Houdini. If you want slightly warmer with extra length and more refined touches, get the Litespeed.

Sorry so long-winded (I tend to be that way)…hope this helps.

Todd

Thanks for the comparisons. I already have a Houdini which I love, but was considering going a smaller size since I found that my regular medium was a bit baggy, which is the opposite of the majority here. My down jacket (Rab Microlight Alpine) is already windproof so I don't need it to fit with my windshirt, although I did recently pick up a Montbell UL Down Parka that would need it.

The OCD in me wants the Litespeed jacket just to match my Featherlite pants, lol .. Seems like it'd work better for colder weather too than the Houdini.

Around camp I wear my Patagonia Houdini over a WM Flight jacket. They fit perfectly together with no compression of the down, both are a size large. The Houdini helps reduce the wind, making the Flight jacket warmer, and keeps the Flight jacket clean and dry.

I've loved my hoodless golite windshirt on a couple of long trips and several shorter ones, but for my most recent long trip I opted to go with a pretty light (7 oz I think) rain jacket and use that in place of a windshirt. Worked fine; I'm thinking now I might err on the side of doing that in future, unless for some particular trip I want a beefier, heavier rain jacket (in which case maybe I'll eat the weight hit for the windshirt too ?).

+1 on the Stoic Wraith

The yellow is on sale at backcountry.com for $28. My large weights 2.4 oz. I would second what another poster said about sizing up if you want to layer underneath it.

You can't beat that price.