VaprLoft Quilts – M50/Apex/SevenDS

[Sean Rhoades]

Is the website down currently? I'm not able to view it.

[Huzefa @ Blue Bolt Gear]

I just checked and its fine. Its need a lot of work, but you can preview it here:
LESSGearWorks.com

[Huzefa @ Blue Bolt Gear]

Now 4 day worldwide DHL shipping available for only $25 thanks to WorldNet Express.

[Huzefa @ Blue Bolt Gear]

I am planning to order M50 and SevenDs this weekend. Please let me know if interested so I can confirm June delivery. Orders received later will ship in July/ August.

[Colin Krusor]

Huzefa, I think this enterprise of yours is great, and I am excited about seeing reviews of your gear. You've been a contributor to the forums at BPL for quite a while and you have demonstrated that you have interesting and unorthodox ideas and a lot of dedication.

I also have an observation that I hope you won't misinterpret.

Some BPL members (like myself) might be a bit cautious about your products at first due to some uncertainty about your cuben down pad project in 2009. Some might remember that you introduced that project (like your current project) with great fanfare and a lot of colorful salesmanship. But, in that case, you promised a ground-breaking product before you had worked the kinks out in the design, when you had made only one untested prototype. You even "took orders" (although not payment, I think).

Then, in 2009, you disappeared. Nobody knew (until now, since your recent comment to Steve Evans), that your prototype had failed. For a year people who had been promised a pad posted to that forum, saying "where did he go?" and "I hope Huzefa is alright". You could have posted saying "Sorry everyone, it turns out that there is a design problem that I won't be able to fix right away." There may have been other reasons for your hiatus, too. But you never explained anything to them.

I think your current project is cool and promising, and I would consider ordering from you in the future. But I might wait a bit until I see that you are open and forthright with your customers and your promises are not unrealistic.

[Huzefa @ Blue Bolt Gear]

Hi Colin, thanks for your comment.

It's true that I posted just one prototype. But I have made many actually. I have tried many different ways, including tapes, liquid adhesives, sewing and combination of these. I havent posted them here because they werent a success. I spent nearly $1000 on R&D and with repeated failure, I had given up. I never took any payment and all R&D was funded by money I borrowed from my family. Its true that I didn't go back to explain this. I just couldn't face all the people here who had such high hopes at that time. I apologize for that and I hope these people will give me another chance.

I think cuben pad IS possible. I have a new construction idea that takes care of the issues. I just don't have the funds right now to more R&D. Also the new exped UL down mat uses a 20D fabric and you can get lifetime warranty. This makes it even harder for me to compete. May be I will post this in MYOG section, when I finish.

This time it's different. I am here for good but I need your support.

[Colin Krusor]

Thanks for your sincere response, Huzefa. Good luck.

[K C]

If you make quilts out of M50 then you may want to change the name to not include "vapor" as M50 breathes, or is it a combo with a shell that doesn't breathe?

[Huzefa @ Blue Bolt Gear]

The shell breaths but not the inner.

[Huzefa @ Blue Bolt Gear]

90% of the people who have commented on this thread don't know what I am offering because they have not even bothered to send me email asking for more details.

[Ken Thompson]

Get use to it. A lot of rejection in business too. If you have received 10% of inquires, I'd say you were doing well. Especially with the slim amount of information on your thread here and your site. Growing pains. Don't get mad. Get some prototypes ready to be sent out and reviewed. Then you can post more information here. You are not giving enough info to whet their appetites.

No 7ds? Too bad, you haven't even started.

[Huzefa @ Blue Bolt Gear]

Actually almost everyone who have inquired have not posted here. That is interesting.

SevenD is out of stock, not SevenDS.

[John West]

The reason why more people haven't inquired is probably due to the fact that there really isn't much to go on at this point. I was interested (and still am) in one of these when I first saw the thread in March, but since then, there really hasn't been much progress. This thread keeps getting bumped to the top, but there's nothing ever new in it.

Coming from someone who also sells things here on BPL, I think this would have been a lot easier if you would have waited until you actually had some quilts made, and had a working website, before posting this thread here. I mean, this thread was started in early March, and we still can't buy them off your website. None of the links on it even work. People get turned off by things like long wait times and websites not working.

Hopefully you don't take any of that the wrong way, just trying to offer some advice. Some organization on your part would go a long way in your success.
Good Luck!

[Jerry Adams]

You have an attitude

You're angry that people haven't responded better

I think that turns people off – if they had an issue with one of your products and you got angry about it, well, people are not willing to take a risk

Starting a new business when people have no experience with you is tricky

Maybe it's a cultural thing. I worked with someone from Pakistan and he was a nice guy, very competent, but he too had an attitude that could be misinterpretted.

You have to act gracious and thank people for feedback, even if it's stupid or disrespectful

[Huzefa @ Blue Bolt Gear]

Hi Jerry and Ken,

You guys are misinterpreting my post. I meant no disrespect or attitude.

And I am not angry because people are not responding. I just thought it was funny that people want to comment on a thread when they are actually not interested in buying. If they were, they would send me a email asking for more details.

As I said, most people who actually inquired have not posted here. This proves my point.

[Stephan Doyle]

If I need to send you an email to find out basic information about your product, you have failed to communicate.

I, too, was genuinely interested in the beginning of this thread. But, to me, your product sounds more like vaporware with every page.

[Jerry Adams]

"You guys are misinterpreting my post. I meant no disrespect or attitude."

I know you don't

I'm talking about how you are interpreted by U.S. people

and this is just my opinion, you have to integrate it with other info you get, especially from people that are willing to pay you

I have no interest in buying from you because that would deprive me the entertainment of making it myself

[James Connolly]

It seems that there has been a lot of discussion about these quilts. I wanted to let everyone know that I have ordered a quilt from Huzefa, and will be posting a review once I get it in my hands next month. Please note that I have no affiliation with Huzefa and didn’t get any special pricing (other than what was originally posted in the thread), and will give an honest assessment of the quilt, i.e. good, bad or indifferent. Why did I take the leap of faith…well I thought I’d give Huzefa a chance, and was intrigued by the design concepts (including the hood) which seems to be unique. So what this space and I’ll let you know what I think once the quilt lands on my doorstep.

[Diplomatic Mike]

@ Jerry.
A bit of respect goes a long way. Pakistan isn't India.
How would you like folk to judge folk from the USA after a visit to Mexico?

[Jerry Adams]

"How would you like folk to judge folk from the USA after a visit to Mexico?"

Pakistan and India have a history of conflict so that isn't totally valid – Muslim, Hindu – …

If someone judged folk from the USA after a visit to Canada they wouldn't be too far off

[Diplomatic Mike]

Sorry Jerry, you're bang out of order.
You seem to think that because you worked with a Pakastini guy, that fact was relevent to this thread.

I smell something nasty.

[Jerry Adams]

"I smell something nasty."

He's my friend. I called him competent and a nice guy.

The only relevence is that it reminded me of Huzefa's comments and people's reaction.

Maybe you could accuse me of being a "know-it-all" but not nasty

[Diplomatic Mike]

I wonder why quite a few long time BPL members from around the world don't post anymore?

[Ken Thompson]

James, I look forward to your review. I'm with Jerry that I would make one myself. Though I am always interested in other design approaches.

Cultural differences or no. An owner should not let their emotions show. Take every comment for what it is worth. If i is worth nothing then don't sweat it.

@ Mike. Sorry it has been bad for you here lately. If all the good ones leave?… Am I a good one or not? You decide.

@Huzefa I wish you nothing but the best. I only included my opinion because I had one that I thought might be useful. If I was incorrect I am sorry.

[Jerry Adams]

"@Huzefa I wish you nothing but the best. I only included my opinion because I had one that I thought might be useful. If I was incorrect I am sorry."

Yeah – I was just trying to give constructive feedback – I like seeing seeing successful entrepeneurs – I know it can be difficult figuring out different cultures, especially Scottish people : )

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