Feb 23, 2012 at 5:25 pm #1286109
Planning on going on a winter trip in northern Canada next year. I am looking for a self standing 2 man 4 season tent that I can set-up on river ice without staking into the ice. Preferably with snow flaps and possibly without a floor.
Does this exist?
DaveFeb 23, 2012 at 5:52 pm #1843786
Is the only tent i could think of that comes close to meeting your description.Feb 24, 2012 at 1:27 am #1844002
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
In principle and without hesitation, NO.
Why not? In a word, wind.
You haven't lived until you have spent a night in a little tent with the wind clocking over 100 kph all night.
CheersFeb 24, 2012 at 4:41 am #1844016
Any recommendations? Short of buying six ice screws at $50 a pop for the tie outs. There will be limited snow cover because of the wind, else I would use my tarp. It needs to be big enough to hold me and my sled. I'll have two skis and poles for the longer guy-outs, but self standing would aid in set-up time.
P.S. I have a year to figure this out and dont mind a bit of MYOG modifications.Feb 24, 2012 at 6:16 am #1844032
how about taking along some form of auger/drill and some type of expansion bolt like hilti makes. drill into the ice and set the bolts.Feb 24, 2012 at 9:40 am #1844118
@earn_my_turnsLocale: New England
google seach ice screw v thread….
If you have deep enough ice you only need a 22cm ice screw and a little bit heavier duty guy lines.
If that would work then I would pick a free standing tent that would only need 2 tie outs on the sides and one rear and one front tie out. A short climbers tunnel might be good. Look at Stephensons Warmlite.Feb 24, 2012 at 10:25 am #1844146
A pole-and-fabric construction on ice, not staked down, is called an iceboat. They have been clocked at over 100 mph. Whatever sort of tent you go with it needs to be securely attached if there's any chance of wind.
Ice climbing screws are designed for anywhere from maybe 400 pounds as rappel anchors to 1200 pound plus as leader protection. Tent guy-out points will surely fail at less than 100 pounds.
Ice is strong, and skinny Ti nails or hooks should hold fine if set at an appropriate angle. All you need is to pre-drill the hole.
Consider a Gimlet, Yankee Push Drill, or hand drill. I've had a Fiskars hand drill for 20 years and it works fine- though since it has plastic gears and crank it might not be a good choice for winter.
Here's a site that sells a set of 7 solid state "Steel Twist Gimlets" for under $20.
http://www.garrettwade.com/set-of-seven-steel-twist-gimlets/p/37J03.04/Feb 24, 2012 at 10:47 am #1844153
@ktimmLocale: Colorado (SeekOutside)
That is what I use in ice / frozen ground. Cheap and effective.Feb 24, 2012 at 10:57 am #1844163
@337guanacosLocale: Pirineos, Sierra de la Demanda
what Jeremy is describing is called Abalakov anchor. If it's good enough for abseling, is good enough for a tent. Also, you don't really need a hook to make it, just use the other point of the thread or a dynnema runner instead.Feb 24, 2012 at 7:58 pm #1844483
Thanks all for the ideas. I have a good place to start now.
P.S. I really don't want to be an ice boat :)Feb 25, 2012 at 2:43 pm #1844803
@robertm2sLocale: Lake Tahoe
Re: "what Jeremy is describing is called Abalakov anchor." A more descriptive name is "V-thread." I'm no expert, but I don't think the Original Poster has been given a clear picture of this technique. You don't have to buy a bunch of ice screws, just one. You use it to drill an angled hole into the ice. Then you unscrew it, and and use the ice screw to drill another angled hole, and try to hit the first hole. If successful, you have a 2-part hole, one part goes down, the other part goes up and out of the ice. You then thread something, a cord or piece of webbing, through it, and tie a knot. You now have a loop that goes down into the ice, with part of it showing above the ice. You can tie your tent's guylines to that.
I do wonder if glare river ice is soft enough to do this technique with an ice screw.Feb 26, 2012 at 6:48 pm #1845356
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– -K.T.- –Participant
Yes, this works
Roger CaffinFeb 27, 2012 at 10:45 am #1845596
@robertm2sLocale: Lake Tahoe
The page you were after (ditch_your_stakes.htmlight/forums/thread_display.html) is lost in the woods.
You may have followed a bad link or mis-typed a URL. That’s most likely what went wrong.
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