New type of bivy think tank discussion

I gave up on the idea of a bivy for two reasons:

1. I have a plain ole' vanilla 1.3 sil MYOG tarp that measures 7.5'x8.5'and weighs 10.5oz counting the Ti stakes & triptease guys. While the top of a bivy would require both less & lighter fabric (perhaps M90), bottoms are typically heavier with @ least 1.3.

However, with a tarp, I can get away with a 1.5oz piece of 84"x40" window shrink wrap, (because it isn't sewn on) for a grand total of 12oz. Since the tarp is slightly oversized, I don't need anything else to get through a downpour.

2. I originally started with 6 yds, so the tarp began as a 9'x11.5' after the center seam was sewn. But since I measured & configured the tarp for myself (while inside), I was careful to make sure it was both high enough (38" at the front, 18" at the rear), and wide enough so that I would be clear from rubbing/wiping any surface area(s) condensation.

With bivy sacks, it just seems like there are always condensation issues, and lots of debates/explanation as to the reasons, including whether it is operator or equipment failure, etc.

I figure, who needs it? While it would be nice to throw a bivy down and crawl inside, the extra 5-10 minutes of erecting the tarp help keeps me dry, and hence warm.

Terry. If you use a pad with any height, do you think you will actually have enough headroom to make the effort worthwhile?
Hiking is SoCal. I think I got rained on 3 times in 20 years. Who needs anything overhead?

If I understand correctly, the frame sheet would need to have some type of tie-out. If it is just in a sleeve them the pack will tip with any wind. Your head would have to counter balance it. It is a good idea though. I'm sure there is a way for it to work.

I have found a solution to keeping fabric off your face inside a bivy. I discuss it in the "multiuse" gear thread (10 oz shelter) but essentially I take a short length of .187 delrin rod and coat the ends with Plastidip, plus dab plastidip across the top with a small brush. This coating provides a "stickiness" where the rod is simply placed inside the bivy; the coating keeps the rod from sliding out of position, no staking required. You can easily cut delrin rod to length with wire cutters and Plastidip is available at most hardware stores. The rod is very flexible and can be rolled up to easily fit in a small backpack. The picture below shows my daughter in a setup with the rod set in place to provide the headroom:

Where can you get a rod like that?

A web search will give you plenty of choices, but I bought mine here:

http://www.plasticsintl.com/acetal-delrin-rod.html

The bill was $14 for 3 rods.

Stephen,
I really like the Delrin rod idea especially the part of coating the top so it does not slip with out a velcro tie in. I have a wholesale plastic house that will sell delrin to me.
Thank you very much,
Terry

that looks really pro man. some of you guys are on here are really mind blowing with how innovative you are…

No rain or snow, I just sleep under the stars.

I have used bivys a lot under a poncho/tarp, but I was able to cook and do other things while the weather was crappy.

I have done bivys only in poor weather. Cooking is problematic. And once you are done hiking for the day, you have little choice but to go to bed. So, I have found a bivy as a sole shelter to be dismal at best, and find it of no use in good weather. With a smallish tarp it is essential.