Jan 22, 2007 at 7:28 pm #1221361
EDIT: I wanted to add these also, but was having some technical problems
I was very excited to recieve my jam2 today. I was very pleased with its size, weight, construction, and appearance. Though I obviously have not tested it yet, I hope that these pictures and comments help you. also, this is the palm color
scale reads 1 lb 5.6 oz, not bad for no modifications yet
I very pleased with its size. this it with the extension collar up. very large
top closure in more detail
this is what you may not have seen, I hadn't. this is the inside, the part that would be against one's back. a rather useless keychain device, 3 Liter water bladder holder and the removeable foam panel
the foam being removed in more detail
I also really liked the pockets, which were roomy enough for my 2 lb digital slr
back side view
size when fully compressed
bottom view when compressedJan 22, 2007 at 7:45 pm #1375292
Looks nice indeed! Thanks for posting the pics.
Yeah, why do gearmakers feel like they have to add a key fob in all their packs? Not only is it useless (IMO anyway), but the strip of material can get in the way. Not a fatal flaw obviously, but annoying.
Everything else looks great! Have fun with it!Jan 22, 2007 at 7:48 pm #1375293
Doug JohnsonBPL Member
@djohnsonLocale: Washington State
Is that a key fob or a clip for a hydration bladder? I've seen mfrs put clips in that spot to prevent bladders from slouching into the pocket…but they usually look a bit different than that…Jan 22, 2007 at 7:55 pm #1375295
Sheldon McElhineyBPL Member
@mcelhineyscLocale: Pacific Northwest
I think the key fob is actually used to clip to the top of your hydration bladder, keeping if from slipping to the bottom of the sleeve as its contents are emptied. Some packs use a small clip, others might use a sewn loop of cord or nylon webbing.
SheldonJan 22, 2007 at 8:10 pm #1375298
I probably wont use it, there isn't a clip on a platy, an extra .1 oz less when I remove it.Jan 22, 2007 at 8:13 pm #1375301
I believe it's just a key fob/key clip. Bladder clips or toggles would come in a pair, rather than singly and dangling at the end of a thin, long strip of material.
I think the bladder sleeve does the job of securing the bladder in this pack???Jan 22, 2007 at 8:15 pm #1375302
@ktdenlingerLocale: Great Lakes Region
I agree, cut it off. 0.1 oz is 0.1 oz especially something that appears useless. Just do it.Jan 23, 2007 at 2:56 am #1375326
@tomcat1066Locale: Southwest GA
Man! That's a good looking pack! Makes me almost wish I hadn't already got my Jam…almost :D
TomJan 23, 2007 at 7:17 am #1375337
Anyone care to do a side-by-side comparison between Jam and Jam2?Jan 23, 2007 at 9:10 am #1375357
How did you take a picture of your camera? Magic? Trickery?
I kid, of course. Thanks for the photos, it helps solidify my decision to purchase this pack as soon as I have the funds.Jan 23, 2007 at 9:31 am #1375363
@trackerLocale: New England
Stephen you could use a simple paper punch to put a hole in the bottom of the Platy for the clip to connect.
I highly doubt that someone with that quality of camera gear would carry it so exposed in the side pocket of a pack IMO.
I don't find the 'expanded volume' of the 'top sleeve' very useful in practice. From my experience with similiar type packs; the upper/expanded portion when filled is very unstable/unsupported and tends to throw the pack off balance IMO. Also, it prevents you from being able to look up, what with the pack hoverin' directly behind your head.
The foam back looks similiar to the one used by Mountain Hardware in their 'Scrambler' summit pack. It's a bear in that pack to take out and reinsert due to it's shape, and the coating on the pack's fabric. I just tried this in a store this past weekend, and it was more of a hassle than the pad would be worth using everyday to me. YMMV because this is a different pack, and I'm not sure of the foam's cut, nor the pack material.Jan 23, 2007 at 9:51 am #1375366
Does anyone know how to put ice axe on to my Jam2?
Jan 23, 2007 at 8:00 pm #1375487
Karl KeatingBPL Member
Which size did you buy, and how tall are you? In the first photo the "hip belt" seems to be a "navel belt."
I like GoLite packs but, having a long torso, I find that most of the models have hip belts that, at best, are waist belts for me. I want a pack's weight to rest on my pelvis, not on my, um, surplusage.Jan 23, 2007 at 8:45 pm #1375497
I purchased a large, which is supposed to be for torsos seized 20-22. I am 6 ft. and have about a 20 in torso. it is resting on my pelvis in the picture, I just wear my clothes loosely. Thought it does seem to ride up a little while I tested it today, but I tested with my maximum weight for my next trip (24lbs) and it was fine for me. It rode very comfortably and didn't hurt my shoulders at all.Jan 24, 2007 at 6:15 am #1375527
@ramblerLocale: On the AT in VA
The most noteable difference is the zipper to the outside pocket. The Jam2 has a waterproof zipper whereas the Jam has a flap covering the a standard zipper, keeping it well covered with a double layer of fabric. The outside shockcord attachment gismo on the Jam2 is only a piece of vertical webbing making a two loop daisey chain on the Jam with a Golite velcro attachment piece, one on both sides. There are two ice axe loops on both packs and compression straps. The Jam does not have the clip and loop system next to the axe loops. That system must help keep the bottom of the pack from riding too low over one's butt when the pack is not full? The inner pocket for the bladder has no key hook. The outside side pockets are a larger holed mesh on the Jam, similar to the mesh on the Breeze. The large outside pocket on the back is not spectra cloth. The outside pocket is not pleated like its sister on the Gust, but there is room above the zipper line, so the pocket is quite spacious. It looks as though the Jam2 has more material on the hip-belt, but that is hard to tell. For me the Jam (size M) was jammed packed full with 5 days of gear food and water, but it worked. As with most packs it is a pain to refill the bladder mid-hike, so I started just laying the bladder on top, sideways in the pack. Works well, though leaning to one side to get water, becomes necessary as bladder gets low. Could only do this with the Jam after most of the food was gone. Having a second 1 liter platypus, kept empty in a side pocket is used when I stop for water mid-hike. Drink a liter and move on. The Jam has a nice daisey chain along the shoulder strap where I attach a small pocket for my digital camera. There is also a small elastic for a water hose to pass through and two label webbing going horizontal. Nothing jumps out from the photos of the Jam2 to make me wish I had one instead of a Jam, but maybe Jam2 has a bit more of a collar and, hence, more volume. The collar on the Jam adds 6" to the height. Thanks for the nice pictures! PS In the photo with the pack on the scale, I noticed what looks like a mesh shoulder strap, the Jam also has lightly padded shoulder straps with mesh.Jan 24, 2007 at 8:50 am #1375540
Ken RossBPL Member
The black plastic piece that the gray elastic cord runs through is actually a hook. Unhook the cord and lay the shaft of the ice axe between the hook and the elastic cord. Wrap the cord over the top of the ice axe shaft and reattach it to the hook. The hook is a very tight fit, so it takes a little force.Jan 24, 2007 at 6:25 pm #1375612
Thank you Ken!
At first I thought I must put shaft into the hoop. It was like a puzzle ring.
Now I've understood and can attach a ice axe onto Jam2. It works well.
I think golite tilted Jam2's hip belt more downward than Jam1. Or due to shape of the Jam2's flared bottom.
In consequence, I feel Jam2 take a more high-rise position than Jam1.Jan 24, 2007 at 6:56 pm #1375614
I have noticed that also as I have been hiking these last few days, it seems to ride a bit. I think that this is because the shoulder straps run through the hip belt, but I am not sure. I also don't know what effect this will have over a 20 mile day. I guess I'll find out soon enough.Jan 26, 2007 at 12:31 pm #1375855
John Rowling IIBPL Member
@jrowlingLocale: Great Lakes Area
Did you do any research between the Jam2 and the Pinnacle? I'm from the Great Lakes State of MI and often catch the 3-4 season thing. Just wondering…
JohnJan 26, 2007 at 1:04 pm #1375863
@pa_jayLocale: on the move....
Er, I'm chiming in a little late here… I just posted a review of my Jam2 w/ pics, only to see many similar pics here. Sorry!
I did take a look at the Pinnacle, but didn't meaningfully test it out or anything. Basically it appears identical to the Jam2 only w/ more volume, i.e. – I wouldn't expect drastically greater load-carrying capacity. Admittedly I'm picky about pack fit, but so far packweights under 24 lbs are the max I would consider comfortable for really long days. That might put a cramp on your winter kit (I'd be borderline on anything more than a weekender). Others will undoubtably disagree. BPL's Frameless Pack Analysis certainly does, suggesting a 28 lb failure weight for the OLD Jam! I'm sure Will's Rietveld's review of both packs will shed some light.
JasonJan 26, 2007 at 1:50 pm #1375869
Jason said everything I would/could and more.Jan 27, 2007 at 11:11 am #1375982
@mlarsonLocale: Southeast USA
Cool. I like the added compression on the lower sides and at the bottom. Looks like there's some trimming potential there too. I bet you could get it down to 17-18 oz pretty easily. I'm not sure how I like the shoulder straps at first glance. I kind of like the open-weave tops on the old Jam. Definitely worth checking out though. Thanks for all the photos.
-MarkJan 27, 2007 at 7:44 pm #1376025
@ramblerLocale: On the AT in VA
I just noticed that the original Jam Pack is reviewed by Alan Dixon at this website with a nice photo included. ( Find under Reviews, Frameless Backpacks)Jan 28, 2007 at 8:56 am #1376072
What is the name of the color of this green Jam2? It looks very close to my "Moss" Jam.Jan 28, 2007 at 9:31 am #1376082
@havocLocale: North Texas
The green color they are calling Palm
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