Mar 23, 2011 at 12:31 am #1270972
JetBoil are launching a titanium PCS system, the Sol Ti Premium Cooking System!
Its priced at $149:95 and is due this spring.
Weight 8.5 oz (240 g) * system weight does not include pot support, fuel
stabilizer and measuring cup
Volume 27 oz (0.8 Liter)
Boil Time 16 oz (0.5 Liter) = 2 minutes, 15 seconds (avg over life of Jetpower canister)
Water Boiled 12 Liters per 100g Jetpower canister
Dimensions 4.1” x 6.5” (104 mm x 165 mm)
Mar 23, 2011 at 5:21 am #1713254Andy SchillMember
Its nice to see a lighter version coming out. Jetboils are fun to use, however, its still a bit heavy for me. They are headed in the right direction though!Mar 23, 2011 at 7:02 am #1713295Jason KnechtMember
before we see members taking these new, lighter versions of the Jet Boil and hacking / modifying them so they are lighter yet.
I look forward to those posts.
The Jet Boil is and always will be a great stove on my book.
A little of topic, but I was very surprised and happy to see many large name manufacturers taking steps to produce lighter gear this year.Mar 23, 2011 at 7:03 am #1713296Mark RiesBPL Member
Ya but for us cannister users the convenience factor the fast boils the cozy the low fuel use the peizo ignition I might start carrying a jet boil again I bought the SP 700 cup stove spork combo and went from 15 to 8oz weight but always miss the convenience and the efficiency of my jet boil PC. The shallower cups while may not hold as much will be easier to eat out of and clean But as Ive read here alot of you guys like to fiddle with your equipment No pun intended but I caught itMar 23, 2011 at 8:53 am #1713366James holdenBPL Member
jetboils are like a slightly overweight … ummmm … stove
always ready to go, quick and easy, and will make you happy in any position (unstable ground of course or even walking)
sometimes "princess" (stoves) arent worth the trouble at the end of a long day when yr tired and hungry …
no pun intended at allMar 23, 2011 at 11:11 am #1713451
The Backcountry Boiler and this titanium JetBoil certainly works for me.
The main improvement for this JetBoil would be a refillable titanium gas canister, as I already refill my 100, 250 and 500 size gas canisters.Mar 23, 2011 at 2:14 pm #1713566Jesse H.BPL Member
@tacedeousLocale: East Bay, CA
how do you refill a used canister?Mar 23, 2011 at 2:49 pm #1713586Matthew MarascoMember
@babymattyLocale: Western/Central PA, Adirondacks
Yes, pleas elaborate on the refillage! How awesome would that be to cut the weight of an empty fuel can in half from like 5 ozMar 23, 2011 at 2:57 pm #1713588roberto nahueBPL Member
@carspideyLocale: san fernando valley
how?Mar 23, 2011 at 3:11 pm #1713596
I love it. Everything I love about my Jetboil PCS but more/less:
-Lighter by about 6 ounces.
-Shorter (more compact) but still able to boil 1/2 liter or somewhat more.
-Still tall enough to hold stove with canister attached.
-Better low temp performance.
Also, the original stove with the new 0.8 liter pot size is now reduced in price.
On the other hand, mine is bought and paid for. Can't justify $150 to save 6 oz.
What I would really love is the new Jetboil Sumo cook pot. It's 1.8 liters, clips onto the stove (unlike the other larger pots that sit high above and fail in wind). It also allows the stove to fit inside attached to a 450 gram fuel can. Perfect for Sierra winter snow melting.*
*see separate post for "Jetboil Snow Melting".Mar 23, 2011 at 4:08 pm #1713641Mark HudsonBPL Member
@vesteroidLocale: Eastern Sierras
I have to tell you, I dont think alcohol is any lighter than this stove for a longer trip.
I did some comparisons on my own and I have always heard jetboil is way to heavy. I found over a longer trip, this stove is actually lighter in weight over the trip than the alcohol stove, and darn sure easier to use.
I am seriously thinking of getting one.Mar 23, 2011 at 4:31 pm #1713654
I recently bought two gas adapters which enable the popular canisters I use to be refilled. The adapters I chose are an ultralight version for taking on trips, and a machined brass type which has a shut off valve, this type stays behind, due to its weight.
Each connects to the cheap, plentiful picnic stove canisters and, depending on the adapters of your choice, refill most known variants including the unique Coleman and Camping Gas canisters.
The ultralight version, which was $15:99 delivered.
The machined brass version, which was $43:00 delivered.
Here's the store, with Google Translate, I used the eBay store when I bought mine.
Satoru , the guy that makes these is based in Fukushima, Japan and I heard back from him yesterday that he's okay.Mar 23, 2011 at 4:48 pm #1713664Dennis LloydBPL Member
Here's another site I found with instructions.Mar 23, 2011 at 4:57 pm #1713668EndoftheTrailBPL Member
Wonder if there's an adapter that will work with MSR / Snow Peak canisters??Mar 23, 2011 at 5:04 pm #1713673
Mark said "I am seriously thinking of getting one."
With my Jetboil PCS, 2 cups water from Sierra stream cold to boiling takes 4 grams fuel. And under 4 minutes from the time I set my pack down. (corrected from my original post of 3 minutes)
Comparison for me doing a 6 night solo trip:
Boil about 6 cups total per day. 2 cups morning (coffee, hot granola), 2-1/2 cups late afternoon (Soup, rehydrate meal), 1-1/2 cup evening (tea).
Simmer for 14 minutes (steam-baked muffin)
I could do with a lot less (or no) cooking, but this system keeps me better hydrated than when I have fewer hot drinks. Then there's the luxury of fresh baked muffins.
Stove/Cup 240 grams
110 grams of fuel
95 gram empty fuel can
=445 grams system
Each boil takes 4 grams fuel x3 = 12 grams/day
Steam baking muffin takes 4 grams fuel
Total 16 grams/day
6 days = 96 grams.
(Hiking JMT in 2008 I ran out of fuel boiling tea the 6th morning with a 100g fuel can, although I had extra muffins and treated neighbors to some water for tea.)
Alcohol system (Caldera Keg- H Kit)
176 grams complete, including keg, cone, stove, fuel bottle.
Per Practical Backpacker interview with Russ Zandbergen, boiling 2 cups typically takes 1/2 oz of alcohol fuel, or about 14 grams.
14 grams x 3 boils/day x 6 days = 252 grams
Steam baking muffin.. I guess another 14 grams x 6 days = 84 grams
336 grams total fuel, plus about 30 grams for a second fuel bottle
Total for Alcohol system
176 g stove kit + 336 g fuel + 30 g bottle = 542 grams
So the Jetboil comes out ~100 grams lighter at the start. At the end though the Caldera system is ~200 g while the Jetboil is still ~350 g. Personally I'd rather have a lighter pack right off a resupply than at the end.
TrailDesigns claims that the cone is close to 2x as efficient as most alcohol systems, meaning that another system might need over 600 g of fuel for my trip.
The convenience for me is great. I usually stop on the trail for breakfast and dinner, then have tea in camp. That means setting up the stove 3x per day which is simple with JB, less so with the cone or other alcohol kits. It takes under 3 minutes from setting my pack down to having two cups of hot water. Of course most people don't stop as many times to cook, and they don't boil as much, so that pushes the equation back.
My family of four went 6 nights last summer with a single 450 gram fuel can, and had about 100 grams left at the end. Boiling for four people with the JB is quick because it only takes about a minute for each cup of water.
Some downsides are the closet full of 1/2 empty canisters, having to carry a second (or larger) can if one isn't quite enough, and the cost. I use up the 1/2 cans on day hikes and for my little lantern.Mar 23, 2011 at 5:07 pm #1713678ROBERT TANGENSpectator
@robertm2sLocale: Lake Tahoe
It's not just "due" this Spring, it is available for purchase now. Here is what I asked Roger Caffin on 3-20-2011: "Roger, if people have talked about this, sorry, but what's this about: "The new Sol stoves from JetBoil use a built-in regulator that overcomes sub-freezing pressure problems so you can go light when the temperature plummets." (mountaingear.com)" Does anyone know anything about the new "built-in regulator"?Mar 23, 2011 at 5:11 pm #1713681
"Does anyone know anything about the new "built-in regulator"?"
I bet it's similar (or identical) to what MSR uses in their Reactor.Mar 23, 2011 at 5:47 pm #1713696John NausiedaBPL Member
Can you provide a product # for this specific item?I have been eyeballing these items for over 6 months but this is the first time this lightweight adapter has appeared. Thanks,The ultralight version, which was $15:99 delivered.Mar 23, 2011 at 5:50 pm #1713698Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
… but why would anyone need" a Ti pot when anodized aluminum is lighter??Mar 23, 2011 at 6:56 pm #1713726
"It's not just "due" this Spring, it is available for purchase now."
Not in the UK!
Best I got was pay now, and sometime in May, it should arrive!Mar 23, 2011 at 7:27 pm #1713741
"Can you provide a product # for this specific item?I have been eyeballing these items for over 6 months but this is the first time this lightweight adapter has appeared."
Here's the original (ended) eBay auction that I bought mine from, they're the same details as the shop stocked item. The image enlarge and zoom features still work.
The shop in the previous link also stocked them at the time.
These are well crafted devices, the ultralight (my designation!) comprises five separate components, including a very well fabricated brass jet, and arrives in a heat sealed bag, itself in a clear storage box.
I guess that they're made in small batch production runs and when sold, the process is repeated.
I didn't really want to put an eBay contact link up at the moment, due to the unprecedented circumstances affecting those in Fukushima.Mar 23, 2011 at 7:44 pm #1713751Mark HudsonBPL Member
@vesteroidLocale: Eastern Sierras
I think there may be some confusion over the sol and the sol TI.
THE sol is available now and its lighter than the standard one, the TI I dont beleive is available, at least I cant find it in any store so far.
I had never really considered just boiling 3 times for my family of 3, maybe I do need to rethink my set up for the jmt.
I guess you can never have too many stoves, this will make a penny stove, 2 different ti tri infernos for two different pot sizes, a soto, and now a jetboil.Mar 23, 2011 at 8:41 pm #1713777
"I had never really considered just boiling 3 times for my family of 3,…"
It works fine. 700 ml (3 cups) of ice water boils in about 4 minutes at sea level. With warmer water and lower boiling point at altitude it could be even faster. The stove/fluxring cup is very efficient. Their 12 liters/100 grams fuel is supported by my tests (presuming they used room temp water, not ice water)
With the family, each pot full was good for two mugs of soup or hot drink. The Sol is 20% shorter but will probably boil about 600 ml without risk of boiling over. I found that I could make drinks for the kids, then by the time I had poured packets into my cup and the wife's the next potful was hot.
Here's a thread I started last year with a couple of testing notes:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=18542Mar 23, 2011 at 11:14 pm #1713822ROBERT TANGENSpectator
@robertm2sLocale: Lake Tahoe
"Sol Titanium Personal Cooking System – JETBOIL
Item #: 224682
Extreme conditions and your stomach require the dependability and functionality of the JETBOIL's Sol cooking system. The built-in Thermo-Regulate technology keeps internal canister pressure equalized so you can cook with consistent output down to 15 degrees. The titanium system makes you pack supremely light.
• Now you can bring the weight-saving, hassle-free performance of a canister stove to 4-season activities with Thermo-Regulate technology
• Insulated drink-through lid with a protective plastic bottom cover doubles as a measuring cup; translucent lid so you can view contents and see if water is boiling
• You'll get the best quantity for your capacity when you boil up to 50 cups of water with one JETPOWER isobutane and proprane microcanister
• Once you've packed up all of the components, it'll take up a space smaller than a Nalgene bottle
• Boil 2 cups in 2 minutes – even at 75-80% efficiency, all thanks to the the FluxRing heat exchanger that captures and focuses the burner's heat
• Does not come with fuel canister or utensilsMar 24, 2011 at 12:10 am #1713827twig .BPL Member
I sent an enquiry to Jetboil last week and got this response
"The Sol-Ti should be available sometime in April"
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