Bushcooker LT 1

Hey Dan, I did order the stove from BPL before I posted; but it was still a very quick response. And I was eager to try it out. I was using a Vargo Ti 700 with a diameter of 3 3/4 inches and the alcohol did take a few seconds to get ripping and I used the caldera cone for a wind screen.

15cc's? That is almost enough to boil the water by itself in a good alcohol stove….
I do like the way your louvered base works with the alcohol flame though. A guy at BPlite had a stove he called the Vortex with unidirectional slots that made the flame spin that way. (fun to watch)

15cc of alcohol in a good alcohol stove may bring 16oz to a boil in ideal conditions
as well as the BKltI will when the alcohol is burned in the burn cup.
But in cold damp conditions it will not.

By using the wood and alcohol together the one fuel helps the other.
It makes a little alcohol in to alot.

The grate helps preheat the primer air for combustion, creates turblance to mix
hot gases and O2 for a complete combustion as seen in a hot bon fire and is self cleaning.

Dan drop me a line your always welcome and coffee will be on the stove.
It would take you only 36 miles out of your way on your way to Crosby State Park.
Bring your camera I'd be happy to show you how to boil a qt of water with 3oz of
twigs or less.

fourdog

My dear Mr. Gross,

OK,OK, OK, the CC Inferno stoves, either Tri Ti or Sidewinder version, DO only fit one pot diameter. I grant you that. So…

"2". Choose say a 3 cup pot for the Sidewinder (since it's fuel capacity is closest to the other stoves) and use that SAME pot on the other stoves. Is there a testing problem with that?

"7". Tape a thermometer to a center hole in a homemade lid from a disposable aluminum pie pan. I use that kind of lid all the time when backpacking.

We STILL need this cookoff because "Inquiring minds want to know."

The backpacking community comparison tests other kinds of stoves all the time. WHY the reluctance to do this test?? All it can do is spur more innovation.

“Eric”, I have Bushcooker LT 2 on it’s way to my house. I’ll be doing the tests with thatone, the Bushbuddy and the folding Woodgaz stove. I think all three have about the same capacity fire box. The tests will be controlled. The wWoodgaz is a single wall stove, the other two are double wall.

“Fourdog” , I reviewed your videos yesterday and found that the numbers given for wood quantity varied from one video to the next. Kiln dried pine was used to start the fire, one second later we see twigs in the stove and then it switches back to kiln dried pine. One video says a bowl of twigs will boil water, the next video says 1.5 pounds will boil 8 liters. Main thing that sticks out is having to start the stove with alcohol. I understand your reasoning but alcohol does not fit in with the scheme of things.

I PM’d you over at hammockforums asking for advice on why I could not aquire a boil using 2 ounces of kiln dried pine and you never answered my questions. I even showed photos of what the two ounces of pine looked like. Still waiting for an answer.

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Eric, I was simply trying to point out some of the problems that would lead to inconsistent results. I didn't want anybody go to the trouble of doing it unless the results were consistent and fair, since there is a certain amount of time and expense going on. It certainly seems like Dan is on the right track. I feel that standardizing the fuel is very important, using a common wood type that anybody else can purchase if they feel the need to re-run the test. Natural twigs, of course, are what we find in reality, but there would be no standardization there.

Maybe get Roger to ship us ten kilos of blue gum tree pieces from Down Under.

–B.G.–

Aren't you really just testing how well these stoves deliver heat to a pot.

don't need a boil to see how well heat gets to the pot.
don't to burn wood to see how well heat gets delivered to the pot.

measure the change in temperature per gram of fuel used.
can measure the change in temperature per unit of time.

You could run the stove on a plate upon a scale and measure the change in weight over time to see which stove consume fuel the fastest and/or most completely taking the heating water part out entirely.

Having the best stove still won't help you get it lit.

Two stoves start with roaring fires. Stove A heats water 7C/min, stove B heats water 5C/min.
Stove A will win 100% of the time in a fair contest.
Does not matter if the race is to increase the temperature 10C or to reach 212F.

I started a new thread regarding this whole discussion over Cookoffs and Woodstove Testing using the Scientific Method.

It is titled:
Non scientific Comparison for fun….

Hi B.G. I’ll be using spring clothes pins for fuel during my tests. The springs will be removed. Each batch will be weighed. The clothes pins will be vertical stacked.

Split clothes pins will be used as tinder that will be placed horizontal across the top of the stacked pins. 2 sheets of Crumpled up telephone book paper will be placed on top of the tinder.

All three stoves will be filled and then lit with a match. K-Mart grease pots will be used. 2 cups of water in each. Water will be at room temperature. Tests will be performed in my greenhouse.

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What, no titanium Caldera?

I'm shocked.

–B.G.–

B.G…………Titanium causes Secondary Alzheimers, Aluminum is Primary……………….Dan LOL (humor) Sorry Bob, you'll have to test the titanium stoves. Or have the guys that make the cones do the testing. People that use cones are called "Cone Gear Heads" is that true??????????(humor)

Do you think we should call the new thread "The Great Wood Stove Burn-Off"

I kinda like the sound of it.

I have the fuel ready. You can see what 2 ounces looks like in a Bushbuddy

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I checked my records over at hammockfoums and find that I made a mistake when I said fourdog could boil 2 cups of water with 2 ounces of kiln dried pine. The photos above show 1 ounce of pine in my hand. I did three tests and could not boil 2 cups. Here is what he actually said:

"15cc of alcohol in a good alcohol stove may bring 16oz to a boil in ideal conditions
as well as the BKltI will when the alcohol is burned in the burn cup.
But in cold damp conditions it will not."

FWIW, I've never failed to get a 16oz boil with 13cc of yellow HEET in my alcohol stove, outdoors in cold wet conditions (mainly Smoky Mountains).
It does, however, take forever to attain said boil, in the vicinity of 7-8 minutes. For the sake of comparison, it's a homemade aluminum cone windscreen with a homemade foster's pot and tea light "stove."

Apologies for the sidetrack though, I wish I hiked in an area where there was enough dry kindling wood for a stove like this to be feasible, they look really cool.

Three wood burning stoves will be tested side-by-side in a controlled manner beginning tomorrow. You can follow the tests as they progress or wait till the results are posted here in a new thread.

The three stoves to be tested are The bushbuddy, the bushcookerLT2 and the folding Woodgaz stove. I have a vested interest in the Woodgaz.

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Follow the testing progress here:

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thanks for doing the tests!

video of all three stoves