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PostedMar 2, 2011 at 4:28 pm

Just got back from a trip to the grocer, and in the open air mall beside it is a running shoe store. I tried on a pair of the new New Balance Minimus trail runners. Must say I am impressed.

First things first, this is BPL after all is that they were extremely lightweight, but surprise, surprise, the manufacturer fibbed about the weight. The size 10.5 I tried on weighed 4.1 ounces per shoe according to the shop's postage scale. New Balance says they are 7 ounces for the pair.

The sole is made by Vibram. It is very flexible. Extremely flexible. The sole is lugged deeply, but it doesn't feel like you are on a platform at all like some shoes. A compared to the extreme flexibility of the shoe in general, the toe box portion of the sole is super-ultra flexible I'm guessing to allow one to really push off from the toes.

The upper is made of synthetic mesh or webbing of varying widths. It seems as though these would be fast drying if submerged, and give plenty of air flow to the feet in general. I am concerned about durability however. Especially in the toebox. Everywhere else, the rubber the sole does a good job of forming a "cup" leading up to the mesh on the shoe, except for the toebox. If I was taking these on a thru, or even just planned on hiking in them often, I would reinforce the area with shoe good and duct tape from the get-go as it is an obvious point of failure.

The stack, or total distance from foot to ground including outsole, midsole, and insert is 15.3mm at the heel and 11.3mm at the toe. Barefoot of course would be 0 stack. The drop, or difference in height from heel to forefoot is 4mm. Barefoot of course would be 0.

To compare: A traditional shoe has 37mm heel stack, 24.5mm in the toebox, for a drop of 12.5mm. In traditional shoes this leads to an unnatural footstrike compared to walking barefoot as our bio-mechanics evolved to accommodate.

I am no a proponent (or opponent) of barefoot or pseudo-barefoot running, walking, trail gaiting, etc., but I've heard time and again weight on one's feet is multiplied versus weight on one's back, and these may be the lightest trail runners out there that offer some drop like a traditional shoe, but not quite all the stress on often underdeveloped foot muscles like Vibram Five Fingers might. The brochure I picked up (from which I quoted the above figures) does mention to transition slowly to using the Minimus.

I don't own a pair of these, just wanted to give my impression to the community of a new product I wore for a few minutes in the store, and ask if anyone does have experience with them.

Also, I would hope that you would look into New Balance's human rights record and labor conditions as an aspect of your decision to purchase or not. Some extremely troubling things there.

This is from a report in 2006:

A joint report by the National Labor Committee and China Labor Watch entitled β€œNew Balance Goes to China,” details working conditions at Di Chang, a Li Kai owned factory in Hongyuan, China. Li Kai is a major supplier of New Balance footwear. On average, one Li Kai factory supplies 12 million pairs of shoes each year. Labor rights violations included the following:

* Illegal discrimination based on gender, age, height, province, and origin
* Wages below subsistence level. Workers earn $0.40 an hour, $3.22 a day. After mandatory deductions for dorm and food expenses, daily earnings drop to $2.55 at most
* Routine 10 hour shifts, six days a week
* Mandatory overtime shifts, without full overtime pay
* Denial of paid holidays, marriage and bereavement leaves, to which Chinese workers are legally entitled
* Lack of benefit rights for workers such as health insurance, work injury insurance and pension programs
* Physical and verbal abuse

The National Labor Committee and China Labor Watch argue that New Balance should use its relationship with Li Kai to improve conditions at factories where standards have been abandoned."

And this is from an earlier report, but the problem is likely ongoing, as New Balance just switched factories, owned by the same group with the substandard conditions, and this time did not allow the new factory to be independtly audited:

"In 2001 investigators from the National Labor Committee visited Taiwan-owned Lizhan Footwear Factory in southern China's Guangdong province. The company had enrolled in Social Accountability International (SAI), which prescribes specific performance standards in nine key areas that include health and safety, discrimination, working hours and compensation through its SA8000 certification. The goal of SA8000 is to raise public awareness about inhumane work conditions in developing nations. Investigators found dormitory rooms packed with up to 28 people and work shifts that normally ran to 12 hours. When workers went on strike over long hours and low wages, according to the NLC investigators, they were all fired. Workers had also been coached to lie to SA8000 inspectors.

Social Accountability International removed Lizhan, a major contractor for New Balance, from its list of approved factories. But rather than pressure Lizhan to clean up its act, New Balance shifted its production in Guangdong to a new uncertified factory right next door called Likai Footwear, according to company officials. It is owned by the same Taiwan investor that owns Lizhan"

Nathan Watts BPL Member
PostedMar 2, 2011 at 5:00 pm

I think they typically list the weight for a size 8 shoe. Was the 4.1 oz for the 10.5? That might explain some of the discrepancy.

Another thing to note with lightweight footwear like this is how much moisture they absorb. I find that sometimes that additional weight of a wet shoe makes a huge difference in the weight your legs feel.

PostedMar 2, 2011 at 5:56 pm

Nathan,

I looked at the fine print of the brochure, and it states that the size advertised at that weight is a size 8.5, so you are spot on about that.

As to your second point, this shoe had a hugely breathable upper — no protection from the elements at all BUT I believe the upper was all synthetic, so if the conditions are right and ones socks are a lightweight of material, they should dry quickly.

The information I researched about New Balance's human rights abuses are troubling, so I will not be purchasing this shoe regardless. I know GoLite makes a line of shoes, and that they at least advertise their fairness to labor and their mindfulness of environmental factors when picking factories and materials suppliers. Maybe I'll go with them.

Nathan Watts BPL Member
PostedMar 2, 2011 at 6:36 pm

my girlfriend has her eye on the upcoming golite minimalist shoe with the thong style lacing system and gecko outsole. I forget the name but it looks interesting.

I picked up the minimus as I've been a NB fan since buying a pair of 790s. I now run in MT101s & VFF bikilas on occasion. I think or at least hope the minimus will be a good replacement for the VFF which are great but require a lot of attention be paid to foot placement on rocky root strewn trails

PostedMar 19, 2011 at 1:24 pm

Uncle Sam decided he didn't need ALL my money for taxes this year so I was able to spend a bit of my return….

I just picked up the Minimus road and trail shoes and REALLY like what I see so far.

The trails will fit a nice niche between barefoot, VFFs (which I don't much care for), and my MT101s. They'll drain really well, feel great without socks, but still have some rock protection, more so than my VFF sprints; I'd wager I'll be a good deal faster in them. I'm loving the fit and feel. The heel/toe drop and stiffness is not significant enough to bug me…I'm already a mid-forefoot runner so as long as the heel isn't too big, I'm good. Conversely, it looks like there's enough heel there to dig in and put on the brakes on steep downhill without it hurting.

Not so much a BPL application, but I'm very stoked about the Minimus Road as well. Very light with just the right padding for pavement pounding. I've been running track 2/days week and I think these will do great for that all the way up to marathons.

Both look like they'll be super smooth without socks, too!

I think New Balance really nailed it for me on these models. I've got a 50K coming in 9 weeks so I'll pack in the testing miles ASAP.

PostedMar 19, 2011 at 5:56 pm

If you have political views that influence your decision regarding your individual purchases, those should be kept to yourself. Posting a report from 10 years ago is not credible at this point and even one from 5 years ago is likely outdated. Clearly you posted this with the hopes of dissuading people from purchasing NB as you've made evident in other posts that I've seen.

Just because Golite, which you seem to hype in other threads as well, claims to use fair labor factories, does not mean that it's true. Infact, chances are they use the same factories as NB if you're familiar with manufacturing in China.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedMar 20, 2011 at 2:19 am

Shoe weight: the figure quoted is usually for a smaller size.

> A joint report by the National Labor Committee and China Labor Watch
Who are they, why should I believe they are telling the truth, and why should I pay any attention to what they say? Bashing seems to be a popular sport.

Labor conditions inside China are properly the responsibility of the Chinese government, not some outside activist group, the USA, or an American company. Progress may not be lightening fast, but they will get there. Just like progress in American factories.

Cheers

CW BPL Member
PostedMar 20, 2011 at 6:00 am

In regards to the shoe, I tried them on in a store a few weeks ago and found both these and the Merrell Trail Glove to have too much arch support. After only a few minutes of wear, and then removing them, my arches still hurt for 10-15 minutes with the Minimus. For reference, I have a normal arch on one foot and a slightly high arch on the other. Also, for reference, I haven't worn a shoe with arch support in several years so my arches are a bit more sensitive than the average person.

PostedMar 20, 2011 at 6:44 am

I was going to purchase a pair of New Balance shoes (MT101) based on previous recommendations in this forum, but I must say I am disturbed by the information posted about the company's human rights record and labor conditions and will probably now look elsewhere. I disagree with those posters who have denounced the OP for bringing these issues up and those who claim that this is an internal matter for the Chinese only to deal with. I don't want my hard-earned money going to a company that exploits its workers in this way. In the past, pressure from consumers has forced other companies to change their practices. For some of us, the way workers are treated is just as or even more important than the technical characteristics of a product.

My question is: where could I get a shoe of similar quality produced by a more enlightened company?

If the information Pilate de Guerre has posted (which is ten years old, as someone has pointed out) is no longer relevant, perhaps someone could post links to prove that.

Thanks.

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