Feb 3, 2011 at 5:23 pm #1268649
Hi all. I have a Integral Designs Sil Tarp and a Bearpaw Minamalist 1. I have used Tarptents for a long time and would like to go the tarp route. I have posted pics here with the the thought that I need to get more of a taught pitch. I have played and played all day and I still cannot get it just right. Help!
another viewFeb 3, 2011 at 5:25 pm #1692087
Hard to tell, but it looks to me like you're offsetting your front and back trekking pole, thereby ensuring you'll get the wrinkles you're trying to eliminate. Just a thought.Feb 3, 2011 at 5:29 pm #1692089
Ken T.BPL Member
Man you better fix that sorry pitch. If you take that set up looking like that at Coe they will have you for lunch!Feb 3, 2011 at 5:35 pm #1692093
Mark HudsonBPL Member
@vesteroidLocale: Eastern Sierras
I dont even own a tarp, so take this for what its worth, but it looks like the tops of your poles are closing in on one another causing the wrinkles…can you stake out the tops and draw them apart?Feb 3, 2011 at 5:37 pm #1692096
Douglas, do you mean the poles have to be the exact same length????? I am trying to get rid of those darn wrinkles.
Ken….yeah N.S.! I will bring my Nemo Go GO Bivy if I cannot get this right.
This is my JMT shelter and I have to get this right. I have plenty of time, I just want to nail it!Feb 3, 2011 at 5:38 pm #1692098
Mark, what do you mean by the tops of the poles are closing in and causing the wrinkles..Do you mean that the tips are pointing inwards towards each other???
Or are my poles cockeye????Feb 3, 2011 at 5:41 pm #1692100
No, they don't have to be the same height. Hard to explain, so let me try this way. Humor me.
Draw a square. Now draw a line down the middle of the square. Each pole, ideally, should be at one end of this line. If one of the poles is a bit to the left or right of the line, while the other is right at the end of the line, then you'll get the wrinkles/it'll make it harder to make it taut.
Does that make sense?Feb 3, 2011 at 5:48 pm #1692104
Doug, Yes! and I posted a minute or so ago where I said my poles are cockeyed…I think I know what you are aying….the need to be in line in order to insure a taught pitch?Feb 3, 2011 at 5:59 pm #1692110
"they need to be in line in order to ensure a taut pitch?"
I don't know if it's an absolute, but it certainly makes it a lot easier!Feb 3, 2011 at 6:07 pm #1692118
Thanks Doug, I will play more tomorrow!Feb 3, 2011 at 6:09 pm #1692120
Franco DarioliBPL Member
Yes Doug is right..
The poles need to be in line and the corners at each end need to be parallel too.
(immagine a line from one rear corner to the other rear corner and one from the front corner to the other front corner . Those two lines need to be parallel to each other .)
FrancoFeb 3, 2011 at 6:11 pm #1692123
Jamie ShorttBPL Member
@jshorttLocale: North Carolina
Ken, Here is a pic of my ID siltarp showing a fairly tight pitch with differing height poles, but parallel to each other.
Here is a pic of my MYOG tarp that is essentially an 8×5 tarp just like the siltarp.
A couple of things to consider. One you can pull the ridgeline much tighter then you think at first. This tarp is pretty tough. Make sure everything is lined up and the poles are straight. Check to make sure the corner lines run out at a diagonal, not straight. Also the rear corner lines should be shorter than the front ones. I often just stake the rear corners directly to the ground without lines.
I have found the best way to set up my tarps is to stake out the front corners at the approximate distance to give the proper height (just takes practice). Then put the front pole in and stake out the front guy line. Then I go do the rear corners, these should be closer together than the front ones. Now put up the rear pole and rear ridge line. I go back and adjust the stake locations to get things tight. Then I stake out the side guy lines. I used 8 stakes and line in total.
Hope this helps,
JamieFeb 3, 2011 at 6:22 pm #1692131
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
Or if the corners aren't square to the ridgeline
Exhagerated exampleFeb 3, 2011 at 6:23 pm #1692132
Franco and Jamie, thanks I think a light just went off. I will try this tomorrow. Stoked!!!!!!!!!!!!Feb 3, 2011 at 6:26 pm #1692133
Thanks Jerry, your illustration makes sense to a ludite like me.
I appreciate the help all. Let me work on this tomorrow and see what I can do.Feb 3, 2011 at 6:36 pm #1692143
Jacob LintonBPL Member
@gardenheadLocale: Western NC
Looks to me like you've got the poles right. Just put them in the center of the shorter side on each end. I think that photo is a weird angle and is just fooling everyone.
I say tighten up your ridgeline. I always tighten my ridgeline all the way before tightening down the corners. Can be kinda hard to do without staking the corners enough to hold the poles up though. The whole thing will want to keep falling to one side.
So yeah, get that ridgeline taught, then work on tightening the corners/sides.
Hope that helps.Feb 4, 2011 at 12:14 am #1692279
Steven EvansBPL Member
It looks to me like you just need to tighten everything up but sometimes getting that super tight pitch can be tricky – all good advice above though and could very well solve your problem.
I made a video after answering a slew of emails about how to pitch a tarp last summer. Definitely not the only way or the right way, but it's the way that works for me. Might be of some help.
I show 3 pitches, the first pitch in the video will be the A-Frame you are after.Feb 4, 2011 at 6:43 am #1692319
Jerry AdamsBPL Member
@retiredjerryLocale: Oregon and Washington
When you have some spare time
intentionally mis-pitch it
make it non-square, raise a corner,…
see how it looks with each variation
then you will know what to do when you pitch it and it's not tautFeb 4, 2011 at 8:20 am #1692359
Sumi WadaBPL Member
@detroittigerfanLocale: Ann Arbor
Your tarp walls looks really steeply pitched. Try going a little lower and wider — then the tension will be more evenly distributed, especially if you shorten your guylines.Feb 4, 2011 at 8:43 am #1692369
James MarcoBPL Member
@jamesdmarcoLocale: Finger Lakes
I will agree with Sumi. It is pitched too high. But, this doesn't effect the tension.
The first thing I notice is that the tarp is too small for the bug liner. You will get some spray into each open end. Keep this as close as possible to the net tent, even if you have to sag the net tent a bit.
Pull the guy lines against the opposite diagnal stake, not the pole or 45 degrees. The way you have it pitched, it needs more tension along the ridge line. And repositioning of the 4 stakes.
But, all in all, that isn't real bad.
Try this, take some heavy duty hair ties. Loop these at each corner. Tie your short, 3-4' guy lines to these (loop-to-loop) and pull these out. This will serve to keep tension on things in the wind and releive pressure from flapping.Feb 5, 2011 at 9:30 am #1692817
Backpack JackBPL Member
@jumpbackjackLocale: Armpit of California
HA! HA! I couldn't resist Ken, I went through the same thing with the first tarp I pitched. I had the same bivy, and used it on the Rae Lakes trip that you had to go home on. I like the bivy, just to confining for me, that's why I just use my Moment now. I like to be able to sit up and put my clothes on, move around, but that's just me getting older. See you at CoeFeb 5, 2011 at 1:08 pm #1692903
keep in mind im no tarp expert by any means
two things that could help
pull the ridge line tighter make sure the ridge is as tight as it will go without damage make sure the guy lines go straight out from the tie out
also pull alternate corners tight one at a time ie if you pull the left front corner tight on one side pull the opposite right side tight next and vice versa
as to pole height as long as the ridge is tight different pole heights shouldn t really matter
as long as like others have said the trekking poles are aligned with each other
you should be able to get a tight pitch of course i say that as the mail man is dropping off my oware cattarp 1.1 i got from gear swap now i will be posting pics of a tarp pitched worse than yours LOL
kevinFeb 5, 2011 at 5:58 pm #1693039
Rob LeeBPL Member
@robleeLocale: Southern High Plains
IMO, Jamie has the best advice. Get the ridge line taut first, then do the corners. My sequence is to loosely and narrowly stake the rear corners. Then set up rear pole. Keep some forward tension on the ridge as you go to the front-insert the front pole and stake it TIGHT. Then stake the front corners taut. Then reposition the rear corners. The key for me was making sure the initial corner pitch was loose. That was the best way for me to get the tightest ridge line pitch. The only tarp I've used is the SpinnTwin.Feb 5, 2011 at 6:38 pm #1693057
Jacob LintonBPL Member
@gardenheadLocale: Western NCFeb 6, 2011 at 7:35 am #1693147
just set up my new oware cat tarp 1.1 for the first time i really like this tarp
and it seems to me to be very easy to pitch so far
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