West Coast Trail and What to Bring

You might not have noticed, but this is BackpackingLIGHT…

If your web site photos are indicative of your approach, this discussion will be a short one.

Shilling your services is OK, provided you disclose your association, but you might be preaching in the wrong church.

"Let's start with tents. We have an MSR 3-person Mutha Hubba, a 2-person Marmot Aura, and 2-person Kelty Gunnison. These are all under 7.5 lbs."

Let's finish with tents because my baseweight for the WCT last year was just under 9lbs. My shelter was 18oz.

I've done it 5 times and most people on the trail pack much too heavy, as the above pictures confirm.

they must be going to everest with those packs … lol

And 9 days to go 75k? 5 miles a day? Man I'd go nuts going at that pace…

Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all full up here :D

Jim

coastalbliss:

You may have pigeonholed yourself with the discussion already by asking the question, "do you have recommendations for heavy gear that can replace our heavier gear?"

You came to a radical place asking for a marginal solution.

How about a radical change in how you are looking at things by eliminating the need for a "tent" and instead focusing on the need for a "shelter"?

The following paragraph is a single sentence that should be spoken aloud with vigor and increasing volume, with a crescendo at the end.

Ultralight shelters (tarps, floorless full perimeter tarps, single wall ultralight tents, etc.) have been used successfully now by many people for long enough in conditions that are foul enough that learning about some of these more radical options, and the skills required to keep your clients safe, comfortable, and happy, that you have an opportunity now to RADICALLY transform your business, and your client experience, and differentiate yourself from the throes of adventure travel companies that are doing the same old thing in the same old way for a client market that frankly wants to find increasing enjoyment from the outdoors rather than willful suffering!

Ask a question, e.g., about how to go tarp camping comfortably in foul weather and the forum members here will rescue your company and transform your business trajectory forever in the best possible way, because, quite simply, your clients will have a lot more fun and a lot more energy to enjoy the incredible West Coast Trail which is one my personal favorite hikes in the world.

Yeah, so … sorry about this … I have a little bit of passion for ultralight backpacking, I reckon.

Perhaps I'm more cynical than other BPLers, but I'm surprised to see people responding to this post (and the other one by the same poster) in good faith. It looks to me like a pretty transparent attempt to drive traffic to the original poster's site, and to improve that website's rankings in search engines. In other words, it's hard for me to think that the original poster is actually interested in the BPL community's feedback.

I had the pleasure of doing this wonderful trail in July, during a stretch of absolutely perfect weather. For me it became a question of too many days and not enough kilometres. I was carrying food for six days (just in case) and finished the walk in four. At no time time did I feel I was doing a "hard" or strenuous trail, although I was fascinated by the engineering involved in all those ladders and cable car crossings. But I was struck by the level of difficulty reported by most of the hikers I met and passed on the trail. Most of these people were young, relatively inexperienced or novice hikers, and I would say the usual pack load was 40 to 50 lbs, with more than a few lugging combat loads of 60 to 65 lbs. My start weight was 24 lbs, and of course I was carrying all of the necessary gear for what should have been a wet hike. I was wearing sandals. Many of these people were really suffering, and it was clear that many were not enjoying the experience at all. They just wanted to get the damned thing over with. No wonder. I wouldn't a hundred yards to the corner store wearing a 60 lb back pack, let alone drag myself up a hundred and fifty feet of vertical ladder.

Cheers

Well I'm going to admit I'm new to ultralight backpacking. Last year I got my pack weight down to 34lbs for a weeklong hike. Now the thought of all that rain and mud on the west coast trail has me apprehensive. Any suggestions on the right clothing choices to stay ultralight and dry? (Or at least dryable?)

I've also heard the trail is really humid. Would I be stupid to take my down quilt with me on this one? My tent keeps the rain off pretty damm good, but humidity?

Yes, we are interested in finding lighter gear, @nathanm. If we have a link back, great, but ultimately, if we can save some wear and tear on a guide, the better for us.

Many people on this site are hardcore outdoor people. A commercial company leading inexperienced people in wilderness areas has needs that most hardcore enthusiasts have given up because they are comfortable there. We definitely want to know what people are doing to save weight, especially for the guides who have to carry things you might not carry (first aid kits; heavier, bomb-proof communication gear; extra safety gear; etc.). We want to minimize the guides’ weights because they are the fall back if someone needs some of their weight carried. Most inexperienced hikers do not want to give up privacy, thus, tents. Tarps do not work for them, and they don’t work for the guides because the guides are having to put them up for all the clients and to make sure they don’t fail. Some inexperienced hikers don’t want to give up their 8 pairs of underwear and socks, even if the guide tells them it is not necessary to have that many. Some don’t want to give up their 5 pounds of toiletry items. We have and sometimes use ultralight tents, but they have not necessarily served well on the West Coast Trail. If they fail with a client, it can ruin their experience. What you might experiment with, we can’t with clients. The gear has to be virtually bomb-proof.

We offer and test different solutions, but ultimately, our clients dictate the practice. We have definitely decreased our weights and our clients’ weights over the last few years. Most of our clients are hitting near @pkh’s weight now, so they are not suffering unless they have some other challenge, or they just have to bring the phone that doesn’t work, a camera as well, a solar panel charger, …despite our urging to leave them behind. @greg23, the two largest packs on the actual West Coast Trail photo that you pulled from our website are on the two guides. The other photo is another location in BC, and not our clients. It was a location photo, not one to show our packs, Southern Chilcotins, I think.

@ryan’s comments are somewhat appreciated. @ryan is attempting to be constructive. Thank you. Others, not so much. I don’t find the trail difficult, but we take many people that find it a challenge at 25 lbs. Not because of the weight, but because it pushes their emotional and mental comfort zone. That is why they hire guides. Perhaps some of you forget your trajectory in getting to where you are. We can help our clients stretch their comfort zones, but we can’t break them. We have colleagues that have tried and their client base diminished as a result. We can’t put people through this trail with the fanatically lightest gear because it will ultimately fail in the conditions. We know because we have experienced it. @ryan and @nathanm, I asked the original question to look for new possibilities to take up and research. The feedback was not helpful. Perhaps it was not framed well, so I can take responsibility for that, but not for the egotistical, derogatory feedback.

So, perhaps there is more room now for more constructive feedback, from what I was hoping was a supportive community.

Can’t we locked this advertisement thread to new comments?

Who waits this long to reply?