cutting firewood

wire saws can be hard on the hands

You can fix this by sticking objects through the rings to use as handles. Thumb diameter sticks work well as does my closed swiss army knife.

I have found that the easiest way to get wood at popular backcountry campsites is to hike up the trail a bit. Put some distance between you and the campsite and you will find plenty of downed wood.

When you are within a 1/4 mile of your campsite, it is a good time to start collecting. By the time you get to camp, you could have a good armload of select firewood. Certainly not enough to burn all night, but who needs that anyway.

http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___47440

I use this one. 9.1 oz on my scale

I'd buy a Sven Saw. Made in USA, lightweight and very affordable.

I've used both, and while I don't know the weight difference, I have to say I've found the sven saw more stable and easier to pack.

The sawvivor seems to want to buckle the saw blade in use. Also, it uses little spring loaded clips to help hold the blade when dissasembled, and I've had terrible luck with those falling out while packed, and being a bear to reposition.

much less stuff to fail or get lost on a sven saw. if I'm not mistaken, there's one nut, and everything else is pretty much permanently attached. Good saw. and can handle some good sized wood, bigger than anything I've ever needed it for.

I haven't had any of those problems with the sawvivor that I have fwiw. It has worked well for the past couple of years

I own (and use) a Sawvivor that’ll be 11 years old in July. No problems with it … zero. Holds the blade well and the original spring clips are still there.

Brian’s comments make me wonder if there’ve been changes in how the newer ones are built.

Fast Bucksaw seems to be highly regarded … but I haven’t used one myself. A bit heavy though (16oz) … it’s the larger model that weighs 30oz..

edit: correcting the weight.

I've used the Sven Saw on several trips back in the day. It's an amazing tool. I still have a few unopened replacement blades. It's just not how I do things anymore.

I love having campfires, but I can make do with alternate wood gathering techniques.

I'm pretty up front about LNT, I simply don't abide by it. I don't cut down trees, I don't litter, I pick up litter left by others, I don't leave anything behind, I don't take anything that's not mine besides the litter mentioned earlier. However, if I want a fire… i'm going to have a fire. I camp where I want to camp, and I would gladly push over a dead standing tree if able to use as firewood. I use good judgement. I won't be hypocritical. It's impossible to LNT. Your daily lives away from the woods has far more impact on our environment than backpacking/camping activities do. Flame suit on.

Well, as far as pushing down a dead tree, that is more LNT than cutting one down. Why?

If you cut a tree down, you're going to leave a nice, clean-cut stump that says, "hey, a human cut me down!" If you push over a tree, who's to tell the difference between that and if a strong wind blew it down? Or a bear. I've seen them push trees over.

Kind of like the question, "if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" If a Juston Taul pushes over a tree and nobody is there to see it, did he actually do it?

And yes, of course, good, solid judgement is key. If you're going to push down a tree and its going to crush a dozen saplings, wreck some bird nests, land on a baby deer, then pushing down that tree might not be the way to go.

BTW, true story….my brother stepped on a fawn once. We were walking through a cornfield, and he just stepped on it. Seemed to be ok though. I also almost ran over one while riding an ATV. Stopped just in time, but the mom who was in the area seemed to be not too happy with us. We daintily rode around it.

Baby deer. Sounds tasty. :D

However, if I want a fire… i'm going to have a fire. I camp where I want to camp, and I would gladly push over a dead standing tree if able to use as firewood.

Not enough context to have an opinion on whether that makes sense, or is just plain selfish. What you choose to burn, and even whether to have a fire, is situational. In some cases it is just fine. In other cases it is a really poor thing to do.

If you camp where few others do, and where nature grows a lot of wood, then fine.

If behave that way when camping where many others do, or where nature does not replenish the wood supply rapidly enough, then shame on you.

–MV

One consideration that is being left out of the discussion of whether or not a snag is appropriate firewood is that it is one of the most improtant habitat providers for myriad species of forest dwellers and whose survival depends on an abundance of snags.

In the areas where I hike/camp in the PNW fires are now banned. But even before that I gave up having a campfire because I got tired of coming across the increasing proliferation of campfire rings and seeing the degradation of wilderness areas due to the low-information camper.

Push over a snag just because…indeed!

Monty, just to be clear on terminology…. snag=dead tree?

10-4 on that Travis. It's a term that you would here often in Forest Service and logger circles, where I spent the first part of my adult life. The value of snags to wildlife wasn't clearly understood until about the mid 70s.

If the wood on the ground is wet, use standing dead wood which is only sort of standing: branches sticking off of the ground on down trees or which have fallen only partially to the ground. Unless the wood is soaked, peeling the bark or splitting it by batoning a knife will often produce enough wood to get a fire going. Dry out the other wood by placing it near or on the fire before it is needed as fuel.

I have always been able to break it. Never been any problem in the South and East.

Lets be real, if anyone REALLy practiced leave no trace, we wouldnt even be able to step into the woods. How do thousands of white blaze marks on trees count as LNT? Not only that, but standing dead wood can be extremely dangerous in storms with high winds, i speak from a recent experience that almost ended very badly. I was by myself about 2 miles into the woods in Red River Gorge geological area on the Buckskinner Hill trail in eastern Ky on a very windy day, when i heard a huge crack, and a 40-50 ft dead tree with about a 22 inch diameter fell and missed me by about 6 ft, directly behind me. So i dont think its completely wrong to cut down dead wood if it posses a danger to someone.

So i dont think its completely wrong to cut down dead wood if it posses a danger to someone.

And trail crews clear trails, too, to make areas accessible to more people. No one is expecting a pristine wilderness in such areas. There would be complaints if trails were no longer cleared.

But that is accepted as a sane compromise. The expectation is that no one traveling through the country add impact to whatever has already been done to make the area accessible to more people.

–MV