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    Zachary Crane
    BPL Member

    @zcrane

    Locale: Midwest, USA

    I'm just curious as to what everyone sees as an ultralight base weight. We can extend that a little further to bring in peoples thoughts on Super Ultralight base weights.

    Bring on the opinions!

    (Sorry if this has been discussed before. This subject is nearly impossible to search the forums for)

    #1578601
    Dan @ Durston Gear
    BPL Member

    @dandydan

    Locale: Canadian Rockies

    Yeah it's been discussed a lot. There are varying opinions but generally it's:

    <5 lbs – SUL
    <10 lbs – UL
    <20 lbs – Lightweight
    >20 lbs – Traditional

    #1578603
    Zachary Crane
    BPL Member

    @zcrane

    Locale: Midwest, USA

    Thanks Dan.

    Sorry to bring it up, since it's been discussed before. Very interesting though!

    #1578608
    Travis Leanna
    BPL Member

    @t-l

    Locale: Wisconsin

    Some peg Ultralight at <12, and lightweight in the low 20's. There's no hard rule about it, as Dan said.

    #1578613
    Jim MacDiarmid
    BPL Member

    @jrmacd

    You left out XUL(sub 3lb base weight)

    #1578615
    Jay Wilkerson
    BPL Member

    @creachen

    Locale: East Bay

    I have a base weight around 9 LBS but I am 6'3 235. Is there a ratio depending on you height and weight. The Skerkas and Jordans of the BPL community are tiny compared to to me-they have very lightweight packs but I almost way 100 LBS more then them. Maybe I am SUL because of my weight and height.. Are there any math peolpe that can make a equation are a ratio based on Dans numbers and body weight and size?

    Just curious….

    #1578617
    Juston Taul
    Member

    @junction

    Locale: Atlanta, GA

    You left out XUL(sub 3lb base weight)

    Ha! :D I give up.

    #1578619
    Matt Lutz
    Member

    @citystuckhiker

    Locale: Midwest

    XUL is sub-5 lb full skin out weight i.e. everything you are carrying and wearing.

    #1578621
    Robert Blean
    BPL Member

    @blean

    Locale: San Jose -- too far from Sierras

    This whole topic was pretty well explored in a thread called Backpacking Weight Ranks

    One idea for XUL was <5 lbs FSO (SUL is < 5 lbs base weight).

    Jay,
    Just for you — that thread had a tongue-in-cheek notion invented by Dean Fellabaum called PWI (Pack Weight Index).

    — MV

    #1578623
    Jay Wilkerson
    BPL Member

    @creachen

    Locale: East Bay

    Thanks Robert, I will check it out.

    #1578624
    Dean F.
    BPL Member

    @acrosome

    Locale: Back in the Front Range

    WAS it tongue-in-cheek??? :o)

    And, Jay, if you are looking for a metric to define how hard it is for you to carry a pack of a given weight compared to an "average" 5'10" hiker, then you want PWIn or EPW. (But I think EPW is a better metric. See the last page of that thread.)

    BUT if you just want an idea of how much harder it is for you to lighten your pack because some of your gear must be bigger, then you want HAPWE.

    I have defined HAPWE and EPW as the "standard" metrics, and have abandoned the archaic PWI and PMI.

    Again, Ryan, be sure to get it all correct in your next edition, and spell my name correctly. :o)

    #1578629
    Robert Blean
    BPL Member

    @blean

    Locale: San Jose -- too far from Sierras

    > WAS it tongue-in-cheek??? :o)

    Beats me … only the author knows, and I doubt he is telling.

    But there were clues … let everyone read and decide for themselves …

    — MV

    #1578679
    Ken Thompson
    BPL Member

    @here

    Locale: Right there

    Jay I think you're super. I too am 6'3" 220lbs 9 pound base as well. That is SUL as far as I'm concerned. We are bigger if anyone wants to disagree ;-)

    #1578684
    Juston Taul
    Member

    @junction

    Locale: Atlanta, GA

    nm

    #1579178
    Jay Wilkerson
    BPL Member

    @creachen

    Locale: East Bay

    Thanks Dean, That's a whole lot of info- I get it-I think!!! I JUST NEED TO LOOSE SAY 10 LBS ON THE HOOF!

    -Jay

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