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PostedNov 1, 2009 at 6:11 pm

Questions!

1. What changes do you plan?
2. What do expect to continue?
3. What will you do to build on and sustain ULA's excellent reputation?
4. Why did you buy the business?
5. What "message(s)" do you want to convey to the lightweight backpacking community?
6. Any new changes to the product line?
7. Any changes the the manufacturing process? (I.E. new toys? More people?)
8. How did Brian approach you with the offer?
9. A short trip history. What trips stood out (good and bad). When did you start lightening the load?
10. What skills will you add to the company.
11. What's your favorite piece of gear?
12. Will ULA continue the Amigo Pro water filter, which I notice has recently been deleted from the product list?

Anwers!

1 The major change we plan is to remain open all year, and to increase production in order to meet the demand. We have moved into a much bigger space (the ladies no longer have to use the bathroom in Brian's house), which among other things will allow us to build our parts and sub assembly inventories so we will be able to fulfill orders within a few days of their being placed year round. Also, we currently have 3 retail outlets, as production grows we'd like to increase that. If anyone out there knows of a good high end store that may like to carry our packs, let me know

2.We will continue using the same employees, materials, designs and maintain our obsession with quality. Although we obviously want the business to grow, we have no plans produce ULA packs anywhere but Logan Utah.

3. We will continue to use Brian's proven designs and production practices. Although it's not obvious to the casual observer, Brian has never used anything but the finest materials regardless of cost and we intend to continue that practice.

4 and 8. For the past several years we have been living on the east coast, and we were ready for a change. I wanted a business that related to my passions, was the right scale, produced quality products and was located in or could be moved to a cool place. Sally bought me a Catalyst for Christmas a few years ago and during the course of that transaction she found out that Brian was thinking of selling the business. I had known Brian since 2000, and since it appeared that ULA fit the business model we were looking for, I gave him a call. It took a while before the timing was right for both of us, but we closed the deal in mid August, i moved out to Logan in September, we moved the shop, and are up and running.

5 The message i would most like to convey to the community is that we will continue to produce the best products that we can, but that innovation ultimately comes from the end users. Don't be shy about telling me what works what doesn't and what you want to see in the future.

6 yes, we are planning to bring out a new product early next year, interestingly, it was an idea both Brian and i had independently of each other, we talked about it at one of our early meetings, he whipped one up and I've been testing it for the last few months. we are working on the final tweaks now and that's all I'm going to tell you. Beyond that there are a few prototypes floating around the office at least one of which will probably appear in the next year. We also feel that backpackers aren't the only people who need well designed, strong, light weight equipment, so look for us to branch out into other endurance pursuits also. Again, if someone out there sees a need that's not being met, give us a shout.

9 I've never had a bad trip, some miserable ones for sure, but i firmly believe that the point of living is to garner good stories, so anything that results in a good story i consider a success. It's hard for me to pick a favorite, Queen Charlotte track in New Zealand, Bear Trap Canyon in MT, Sally just returned from a 2 week trip on and around the Austurinas region in Spain and she would rank that pretty high, any place in the Grand Canyon, and the highly under appreciated medicine bow range in Wyoming.. I started to lighten my load after hauling 45 #s down the Grand Canyon, now I'll grant you that a sizable chunk of that was adult beverages and they disappeared while at the bottom, but I realized that lighter was for sure better .

10 I think the biggest thing Sally and I bring is fresh energy, I've started and run several businesses (this is the first one I ever bought) and I speak from experience that most entrepreneurial folks start to lose a bit of interest after 5 to 7 years, and it's best to bring in fresh faces at that point.

11 My Catylast

12 Ah the amigo, well, I wish the amigo was going to be continued, but the deal is this, Brian produced the Amigo under a handshake agreement with the guy who came up with the idea, but he wasn't comfortable continuing the agreement with me, and instead offered to sell it, without going into details, the numbers didn't work and I essentially gave it back to him and I don't know what he'll do with it.

I thank you for all your interest, and hope this answers some of your questions. To folks are our lifeblood and we don't intend to forget that
/ Chris and Sally

Steven Evans BPL Member
PostedNov 1, 2009 at 6:44 pm

Very cool that he took the time to answer the questions. Maybe I missed it in the other thread, but did you find out what Brian's involvement is in the business now? A fresh face/idea could very well be a good thing…let's see what happens.

PostedNov 1, 2009 at 7:03 pm

That stinks about the Amigo Pro. I was just getting ready to purchase one and for me it was the perfect solution. Maybe the inventor will start offering it for sale?

I sure do love my ULA pack and I hope the company continues in the same direction.

PostedNov 1, 2009 at 7:55 pm

Here's an idea for ULA: Come out with a 1.5 cuben pack to compete with MLD's Revelation and Zpacks Blast series. It would also be neat to see a cuben/dyneemaX hybrid back that uses cuben for main body and Dyneema in higher risk areas like the bottom. I think you it's possible to provide an extremely nice, durable pack….maybe even a framed one….for 10oz.

PostedNov 1, 2009 at 8:11 pm

David,

I've got an Amigo Pro I no longer want. It no longer has the tube/flow stopper, you'd have to replace that. I have two new Hiker Pro filters for it, one in it and one still in the box. I'd sell you the two filters for what I paid for them plus shipping (total about $85) and you can have the Amigo Pro. PM me if interested.

Mary D BPL Member
PostedNov 1, 2009 at 8:36 pm

What a bummer about the Amigo Pro!

Perhaps the owner of the design will be willing to make and sell some on his own??? Please have Brian pass along that there's interest out here!

Douglas, I've PMed you in case David doesn't want yours.

PostedNov 1, 2009 at 9:02 pm

Dan – that will never happen. ULA has always made UL but very durable packs. This is their niche.

A 10 oz pack will carry like crap even with very little in it.

PostedNov 1, 2009 at 9:18 pm

Take the MLD Revelation (6.2oz), add ULA's suspension hoop found in the Ohm (+1.2oz) and the necessary materials to hold it (maybe +1oz) and then add 1.9oz/yd Dyneema gridstop on the bottom and sides (maybe +1.5oz) and you've got a full suspension 2900 cu in cuben/dyneema hybrid pack for 9.9oz. Yeah I'm pulling some of those numbers out of my butt, but I do think this avenue is worth exploring.

Going at it from another angle, you could take the Ohm (17oz) and chop it from 3500 cu inch down to about 2800 cu in which might save 3oz or so. Then ditch the load lifter straps (maybe 0.5oz) and make a bunch of it out of cuben (save 2oz?) and again you're getting down near that 10oz goal and you've still retained the suspension.

I'm not a pack designer so I don't know what will work and what won't, but I do think innovation starts with lofty dreams.

te – wa BPL Member
PostedNov 1, 2009 at 9:49 pm

i have a 7.9oz Murmur and it carries very well. dreamy, in fact :)

PostedNov 1, 2009 at 10:16 pm

"That's just not ULAs style. Thankfully."

It's not? The late ULA Amp is almost exactly what I'm describing. The Amp was 10.6oz, 2600 cu inch and a hybrid between DyneemaX and rip stop nylon. I'm suggesting basically a new generation of the Amp using cuben instead of nylon and using those weight savings to add in a light 'suspension hoop' a la the Ohm. Sounds like the perfect weekender pack to me….although the 'suspension hoop' might be overkill for a small pack like this.

t.darrah BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 5:51 am

Dan,
Go back and look at the pictures I posted (06/02/09) of my MLD Revelation/Prophet hybrid. I feel this pack was a nearly perfect blend of UL and durability. I would not be surprised to see the new Revelation follow this line later in 2010, time will tell.

Ron is great to work with on custom changes.

Thom

PostedNov 2, 2009 at 7:34 am

Hey Mike – it carries dreamy? Can you imagine if you carried a framed pack – you would be in heaven ;)

ULA has always been about an effective balance between durability, functionality, and overall weight. There is a reason that the Amp is not longer made.

Mike M BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 7:38 am

I do think that is a niche that a fair number of folks would be interested in- basically a slightly smaller Ohm, slight lightening of some of the panels (still keeping it on the sturdy side)

10 oz might be undoable (keeping w/ ULA philosophy of sturdy packs), but I imagine w/ a little tweaking ~ 15 oz or less might be

Thomas Burns BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 8:04 am

>10 oz might be undoable.

It is doable and has been done — using silnylon, no less.

Check out the Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak .At 3200 cc's (or so?), it's a full-sized UL expedition pack. Mine weighed in at 10 oz. I added a sternum strap to increase the weight to 10.3.

Can't say enough about the pack — sturdy, light weight, and relatively inexpensive. No frills, but add the sternum strap and use your pad inside as a frame, and you have all the pack you'll need from most backpacking adventures.

Stargazer

P.S. Oy. Sorry. Just realized I hijacked the thread. Just wanted to show that a sturdy, non-Cuben, large BP at 10 oz. is within the realm of possibility.

PostedNov 2, 2009 at 8:12 am

He meant using Dyneema, as all ULA packs have in some degree. I suppose you will tell me that the Ion is only 10oz and it is Dyneema but I have one of those and it is completely featureless and carries like a book bag.

I find it funny that a pack is the one place a lot of UL's will sacrifice:

a.) comfort
b.) durability (not only groomed trails)
c.) function

We all talk about UL pack weights of 20 pounds in a thru hike but of course fail to mention that this includes cache of food. I find it more impressive that someone will trek 400 miles with a heavier, more durable pack without resupply. And I am not speaking about running. I am speaking about backpacking. I guarantee that that person's baseweight is still 10 pounds or under but the additional carrying ability is for food. Guess what? The pack gets lighter.

Darn – this should be in Chaff.

te – wa BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 8:21 am

that is to say that the Murmur @ 10oz carries MY load very well.
out of all the sub 1 lb packs ive used, and i can think of about 6 or so, the murmur just fits better.
add the ula amp to that list. i didnt like that one at all. i ended up selling it here and then it got lost in the mail.. so it just wasnt meant to be..?

but i do agree about ULA being carried in other retail shops.. the Arizona Hiking Shack in Phoenix and the Summit Huts in Tucson are prime candidates!

Jeremy G BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 10:45 am

I see that the Ohm is priced at $155. Wasn't it $130 a couple months ago? Or did I see that wrong? Just wondering if I need to hurry up and order mine if they are going to be raising the prices on their packs with the new owners…

PostedNov 2, 2009 at 10:58 am

Yup – it was $130.

Not sure I like the changes to the company ;)

PostedNov 2, 2009 at 2:37 pm

You are right , the ohm was 130, we were reviewing costs on all products last week, and it turned out there were some miscalculations on the ohm and that 155 was a much more realistic price, we don't anticipate any other increases for the forseeable future/ chris

Tom Caldwell BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 2:53 pm

A Gorilla with hipbelt pockets is $195. The Ohm with all the options is $200.

t.darrah BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 3:10 pm

Chris,
I would tend to agree. When compared to say a gg Gorilla at $165.00 and or the MLD Prophet at $170.00 I think this pack was under priced. A great deal for those who bought the pack but maybe a less then great deal for ULA.

Mary D BPL Member
PostedNov 2, 2009 at 3:19 pm

Every business (at least if it's going to be successful!) has to reprice its products frequently as the costs of raw materials, labor and overhead change.

OK, off with my accountant's hat and back on with my hiking hat!

I mentioned the possibility of the Ohm in a size small. Actually, since I need a lot of structure to my packs, the Circuit in a smaller volume (the volume of the Ohm) would probably be better for me. As currently designed, the Circuit is too big for what I need. The Ohm would be just right for volume (if it came in a small) but I'd like something that volume with more support structure. I suspect that quite a few other women would feel the same way. A woman-specific Circuit with less volume would be lighter, too. Just make sure it's wide enough for that bear canister.

My current pack (Six Moon Designs Comet) will probably last a couple more years, so from my point of view you have a year or two more to think about this! :-)

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