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Carter Young BPL Member
PostedAug 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm

I have two Rab garments in eVent (the Latok Alpine pants and the heavy duty Latok jacket), several pairs of Rab gloves, and a Rab down bag.

The eVent items from Rab are good utilitarian kit, but not worldbeaters. The advantages of eVent are well-known, but there is a problem that I'll get to in a moment. The Latok Alpine pants are somewhat odd in that the side zippers don't go all the way to the waist, which makes it impossible to put them on when wearing skis–or to get to the pockets in your under layer. Of course, this design is done so that a pack's hip belt won't chafe against the zipper, and many Arc'teryx shell pants are also made this way. And somewhat suprisingly for mountaineering-oriented trousers, there are belt loops.

The best thing about the parka is the wired hood–it really does work. But other than the eVent and the water-resistant zippers, there's nothing in the design of this jacket that hadn't been done in 1995 or earlier. And the qaulity of construction of the Rab jacket is not on the same level as Patagonia or Arc'teryx–the seam taping is wide and not all that straight, the stitching isn't anything special, the mesh interior pockets are indifferently fitted, etc. For an example of a really well made bomber winter shell, look at Patagonia's Stretch Element with its seam welded construction and great fabric. I'm not saying that the Latok will fall apart, just that other companies pay greater attention to details.

My two complaints with eVent are that the material is not entirely windproof (noticeable only when skiing fast) and that the inner scrim is far less durable than what is used on Gore or Patagonia H2No garments. That light grey stuff used with eVent is extremely easy to snag or abrade. I don't know how this durability problem qffects the waterproofing and/or protection of the membrane, but it is there.

I also had an eVent tent from Nemo that had the seam tape separate from the material after only one rainy night, but so far I haven't seen this happen with any Event garments (I also have pants and a jacket from Lowe Alpine and the famous $50 Teva jacket).

The Rab gloves are fine (they are one of the few companies that make non-waterproof softshell gloves with leather palms) but the sleeping bag (a 0F or so mummy with a Pertex Endurance shell) is a disappointment–crooked stitching, skimpy draft collar, not as much loft as you'd expect for the temperature rating. I'd say it's about at the level of TNF or Kelty in quality–definitely below Marmot, and certainly no match for Valandre, Integral Designs, Western Mountaineering or Feathered Friends.

Chris Townsend BPL Member
PostedAug 21, 2009 at 1:01 pm

Sounds like you've been unlucky with the Rab sleeping bag. I've been using Rab bags for over a decade and some have had much hard usage and I've not had any problems. I've also found the ratings rather conservative. I've tested other bags in that period too, including Valandre, Western Mountaineering and Marmot and would say that Rab are as good as any. No bag from any of these companies should let you down.

Brad Groves BPL Member
PostedAug 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm

I've had no experience with Rab outside of a vendor booth, but the loft of the bags I played with was actually denser and better than many on the market right now. I did hear they have a new-ish design head, or manager (maybe North America?)? Rab has good terms for establishing dealerships… that might be the way to go. Thanks!

Martin Rye BPL Member
PostedAug 21, 2009 at 1:22 pm

I still own a RAB summit 500 which is a fine bag. The loft is very good and just over a kilo for a bag that will keep me warm down to around -7, and is not expensive for the performance it offers. I had a Q250 which is a good sleeping bag but I did not get on that well with it. I had some stitching fail with it, but I don't doubt RAB make great kit. I own some other kit made by them which is superb. The Photon Hoddie is a superb jacket and one of my favourite jackets. I would recommend them to anyone.

PostedAug 21, 2009 at 6:02 pm

"KidCobalt", geez, now there's '50s "retro" handle,!!!!

From my meager experience, I find your comments reflect my humble opinon on this issue; I have used many bags and in places where -35*F temps. every night are the norm for weeks on end. I have yet to see ANY bag that is totally equal to the Valandre Shocking Blue, as a LIGHT bag that WILL keep you warm below 0*F and will not soak up ambient moisture for several nights of usage.

Your comments on the WM, ID, Val. and FF bags are spot on and shared by every serious, esperienced mountain lover I know here in B.C. My buddy, is a "young punk" of 41, he has climbed in the Alps, Pyrenees, Himalayas, Rockies and BC Coast Range and spent time in Labrador, and brother, it gets COLD there, REAL COLD!!!

He was using a custom FF "Snowy Owl" and a couple of NF bags, saw my custom ID Endurance-Down bag and took my suggestions for a pair for himself, which he uses now almost exclusively. He has a LOT of highend gear, Leica, Hasselblad, Ziess and Swaro optics and knows his stuff…and he simply says about ID…"These are awesome bags"…and I sure agree.

The British maker who really interests me, is PHD and I would look there, as well.

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