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PostedAug 26, 2009 at 10:24 pm

David: "why the footprint? Just use Polyco. Is it to set it up fly only? If so, I think you might find it remarkably unstable in that format.

You have taken off guylines but do you not ever camp where the wind picks up?"

The footprint is only for times when I'm car camping (and want to minimize wear on the tent) or times when I'm using the tent in fly/footprint mode. For the majority of backpacking trips the footprint will be left at home. I'm quite confident in the 10,000mm waterproofness of the tent floor.

Regarding the guylines, the tent seems pretty solid to me with the 4 corners pegs and the 2 vestibules pegged down but I have not been in a significant wind with it yet. I think the vestibule peg outs add a lot of stability.

However, if I was in a situation where I needed guylines, I could always steal some of my bear bag cord (or even tie 2 shoe laces together) to make some. I carry about 45 feet of bear bag cord and I could always lop a few 5 ft lengths off that and still have a usable bear bag cord.

PostedAug 26, 2009 at 10:28 pm

Mike,

Those 1g stakes are wild. I believe BPL said they were totally unusable. I think some Ti stakes around 5g could be good though. The problem is price…..Ti stakes seem to be around $20 for a set plus shipping which is at least $10 since I'm in Canada. That means I'd be paying about $30 to save maybe 30 grams (1 oz). That's a lot….$1/gram.

I'm tempted by the idea, but I think there are other ways I can cut weight right now for under $1 per gram. Still…..titanium is a fun (geek) material. I would love to have them.

These 4g carbon fibre stakes look pretty cool.
http://www.moontrail.com/terra-nova-carbon-fibre-peg.php

PostedAug 30, 2009 at 12:42 pm

I picked up some Ti stakes on eBay. I got a 6 pack of those 6g titaniums shepards hook stakes for $9.99 Buy It Now plus $6 shipping to Canada. There's still another set on there if someone else wants some too.

If I'm worried about the strength of these stakes then I'll take one 10g MSR stake along to create pilot holes. With 5 or 6 of these I'll save 20-24g. That's 60g worth of stakes down to 36 or 40g.

I gotta say the MSR supplied stakes seem pretty nice though. At 10g the weight isn't rediculous and they are plenty strong, easy to insert and brightly colored for visability.

PostedSep 2, 2009 at 9:06 pm

I set up my CR2 inside today to see what weight could be trimmed. I observed 6 fabric loops inside the tent that run along underneath the main pole. These loops have no apparent purpose but I do find one handy to hang my glasses from at night. I suppose that a gear loft could be strung from these loops but none is offered from MSR (maybe they do for the Hubba Hubba?) and even if one was I can't see myself adding the weight.

I cut off three of these loops leaving the two near the top of the tent (at either end of where the white fabric is) and leaving one more above my head so I can hang my glasses. The three that I trimmed off weighed it at a whopping 0.7g on my scale (combined). Hmm….hardly worth it. I would need to trim off over 100 similarly heavy objects to save an ounce of this tent. So potentially 1.4g of weight savings is available by trimming off these loops and I realized half of that.

There are also two more tabs inside the tent at the top of each zipper. These look a bit beefier than the previously discussed tabs, but they still don't likely weigh more than 0.5g each or 1g total. I didn't cut these off because they are useful to pull on when you are undoing the zipper.

Besides the tabs, I considered trimming 1 or 2 of the corner pockets out of the tent. The CR2 has a mesh pocket in each corner which is a lot. I could definitely get by with just 2 inside of 4. However, I figured the potential savings are only in the 2-3 gram range (0.1oz) per pocket, so I let them remain since that might raise eyebrows if I ever have a warranty issue and the pocket capacity might come in handy someday.

On the outside of the body, I noticed that the two strap loops that the cross pole fits into aren't entirely being used. The strap is sewn in a loop, but the bottom half of the loop is slack so you could trim this. This strap looks a bit more substantial than the loops inside, but it still doesn't likely weigh more than a gram and it does come in handy for clipping the cross pole in and out. I think you could safely trim about half the fabric away and you would actually increase the functionality of the tent because you wouldn't have to pull the loop out of the way to attach the fly, but I opted to leave this alone for now because the weight savings were trivial and I want to think about it a bit more before making such a permanent alteration to the tent.

So in total I spent about 20 minutes working with the tent and saved 0.7g….no so great. This is making my Ti stakes look amazing as they will save 6 x 4g or 24g…nearly an ounce.

PostedSep 2, 2009 at 9:38 pm

So in total I spent about 20 minutes working with the tent and saved 0.7g.

Lol. Keep up the good work! At this rate, I've calculated that if you work for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, then in around 6 months time you will have dropped 5 pounds from your base weight!

PostedSep 3, 2009 at 12:12 am

Ha Ha….just you guys wait until I go at the fly. I'm going to dip it in acid to remove the waterproofing, thus saving several grams. On wet nights I'll just wear my rain gear to bed and stuff my Ultra 20 quilt inside my rain gear. ^_^

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