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PostedJan 19, 2009 at 3:58 pm

I received my Tyvek Sublite a few weeks ago and was able to test it's breatheability for the first time on the coast north of Bodega Bay. The weather was clear, cool, humid and mostly windless.

The tent set up very easily using my LuxuryLite Trail Sticks trekking poles. I used a short piece of spectra core line, and a found stick, to make a toggle to attach the tent to the hand loops on the poles. The ground was fairly flat and it was easy to get a nice taut pitch.

The tent is everything Henry advertised. I had packed for an overnight backpacking trip and the tent is roomy with plenty of room for me and all my gear. The only things left outside were my shoes and LuxuryLite pack frame.

I woke several times during the night and checked for condensation. There was never a hint of dampness and I look forward to more testing in more difficult conditions.

When I ordered the tent I also ordered the optional aluminum poles, to be used in lieu of trekking poles. When pitching the tent with the optional poles, if I moved the pole tips away from the tent to the maximum allowed by the tent configuration, I noticed that the optional poles deflected in a sag curve when I tried to get the same taut pitch I was able to achieve with the trekking poles. If the pole tips were moved inboard the curve disappeared but the pitch was "soft" and not taut. This loose pitch would be a problem in windy conditions. I fiddled with this for a while and found that the optional poles sagged less if I only used the lower Velcro pole "clips". I need to play with this system to see if I can get it to work in a "looking good" pitch.

Having to get in and out of the tent several times during the night, I noted a modification that might be worth some thought. The silnylon tent floor, and the bug screen between the silnylon and the tent door, are both black. In the dark you can't tell the difference. Especially wearing heavy socks. Several times I stepped on the netting by mistake. This is liable to degrade the netting and allow infiltration of "creepy crawlies". I would suggest the netting along the bottom of the door be replaced, either with Tyvek or by extending the floor material out to the door zipper.

I would also like to see a few small tie-out loops be added to the inside of the tent to allow for hanging a flashlight and, in my particular case, a place to hang my glasses. In making Tyvek ground cloths for this tent, and my Evolution 2P, my experience with Tyvek and Tyvek Tape has shown me the ruggedness of this material. I will probably fit my Sublite with a few tie out loops

In the rear view photo, posted in Will's review above, there appears to be a tieout, on the edge of the tent body, mid way between the trekking pole and the foot of the tent. On the top view photo I think I can see the same tieout loop. This feature is missing from the production model tent and might be useful in windy conditions. I would also like to see an optional bug screen door, so you could have more ventilation for those no-available-shade-pitched-in-the-hot-sun afternoon naps. If it clouded up you could reach out and close the Tyvek door. Snug as a bug.

I really like this tent.

Here are a few photos:
Sublite Door Side
Tarptent Sublite door side
Sublite back side
Tarptent Sublite back side view
Sublite front
Tarptent Sublite front view
Sublite rear
Tarptent Sublite rear view
Sublite pole detail
Tarptent Sublite pole attachment detail (excuse blurry cell phone photo)

I'm really looking forward to using this tent on my summer hikes.

Edit:01/19/'09 at 10:00pm PST "Lower pole clips minimize pole sag."

PostedJan 19, 2009 at 4:35 pm

Thanks for the report Denis. Could you tell us how tall you are and if you have an average body, small, or are a big boy? From your pics, pics can always be deceiving, it looks like it might be a challenge getting in and out of for those of us who more resemble bears.

PostedJan 19, 2009 at 4:48 pm

5'9", 220#, 70 yrs old and creaky of joints. Getting in and out is not so bad. Open door, step out of shoes and stand in tent door, on tent floor. Kneel down and duck inside. Reverse procedure to exit. This is where the Tyvek door "sill" would help. As it is, one must exercise caution regarding stepping or kneeling on the bug screen.

As to head room: there is enough, but not excessive. It is a one person shelter after all. The whole top is high enough to allow me to flop around as I fumble about trying to organize gear. The "boxed" foot helps greatly to increase maneuvering room.

PostedJan 19, 2009 at 6:14 pm

Hi Denis
That is a clever set-up , if you take a picture from the front (so that the sides are not visible) it should look like a tipi…

If I read you comment :
I would suggest the netting along the bottom of the door be replaced, either with Tyvek or by extending the floor material out to the door zipper.
correctly , you suggest eliminating the netting altogether. I understand that some think of Tyvek as an incredibly breathable fabric but eliminating air flow from the bottom you will end up with an Exo, sorry I mean a sauna.

Franco

PostedJan 19, 2009 at 6:47 pm

Franco,
Aye, and a tiny tipi at that. I really don't have enough experience with this tent to say that the perimeter netting is superfluous. I do think the netting adjacent to and below the door, might be eliminated in order to protect the integrity of the bugproofness (bugproofragality?) of this fine tent. I intend to add a "veranda" tab to the Tyvek ground cloth, which tab will lie beneath the patch of netting in question, so as to protect it from, at least, my grinding it into the ground whilst crawling from the tent to answer natures call in the dark of the moon. If Henry were to modify the present iteration of this design, and use silnylon in this area, I would install said "veranda" tab in any case. "D.a.m.n. the torpedoes, preserve the gear" is of prime importance.

PostedJan 19, 2009 at 7:08 pm

Depends on how much rain we're getting. If it's very much I'll probably bring something less experimental at this point. Pray to whoever for sun.

PostedJan 19, 2009 at 8:58 pm

Denis,

I reread your PM and about the poles: mine deflect as well on my new production model if I tighten them too tight by adjusting the ribbon below the pole holster. I used poles from Poles 4 You with the prototype which did not deflect but they weighed way too much. Henry's poles are lightweight but based on my one time setting it up it looks like care will be needed not to tighten the adjustment too tight.

If you go out this weekend and rain is forecast you might want to take it anyway. I think you will be surprised. The prototype usage during storms has increased my confidence in the material, especially due to the November experience in the Grand Canyon.

PostedJan 19, 2009 at 9:28 pm

>Henry's poles are lightweight but based on my one time setting it up it looks like care will be needed not to tighten the adjustment too tight.

You can't possibly break the poles when pitched but they are really light and flex is to be expected. Just tighten to the point of optimal pitch and don't worry about the flex.

-H

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