Thanks again Ashley
>Not to be a bother but I don't ever remember the MacPac stuff being light, or at least light enough to really pop up here.
I've been thinking about this, and to the extent that BPL has only been around 5-ish years, this is kinda true. But Before BPL, MacPac lead the way in many of the earlier lightweight ventures. The Pinnacle tent, at 2.5 kg for a true NZ four season tent was hard to beat. And in terms of value for money and weight, mine lasted 12 honest years of abuse before it had to be retired (due to malicious attack by a gang of bored keas). If not for the keas, I think it would still be in action. I can't see any of the current "UL" tents lasting that kinda distance. MacPac designed the Neve, which though far from perfect, was another real revolution in commercial gear design, soon copied by J&H Wilderness (aka One Planet). There was also that down 'liner' topbag they released at the same time. Something like the first 450g down bag I've ever seen. Then came the original Microlight tent. For a while there, MacPac has droppped the ball in this area, but perhaps Cam and his crew of new-era designers will pick the ball up again.
It's a shame that WM screwed up the design of what would have otherwise been the perfect topbag IMHO, but with the few small changes I made to ours, I think even MacPac will find them hard to beat. Hard, but not impossible!