New Project for BPL?

Tony and Roger:

I can easily imagine the high cost of compliance in putting a new gas stove on market.

Maybe an alternative — after you've got your design tied down, tested and all — is to craft a limited number of "kits" and sell them privately? Not a legal expert by any imagination, but just asking out loud…

I for one would definitely be interested!

Roger's little experiment has got us all in a tizzy, wanting to spend money we don't have. We're like Pavlov's dogs. Do I want one of these? YOU BET YOU'RE BIPPY I DO. Approved or not. If Roger would use one in his silnylon tent, so would I.

Hi Bill

> his comment that he and a friend were working on "this" stove project to sell here.
Back up a second on this!
I did say Tony and I had been working on stoves. Indeed – a sort of cooperative competition in fact, much of which has been done via the Forum channels.

I also said (shortly before your posting) "Hey guys – this started out as a private quest to understand how stoves really work, and to make a UL winter stove for myself. Going commercial was not originally on the radar."

But nowhere will you find that I ever said they were being deliberately developed for sale. OK, I did say "But you will have to be a MEMBER of BPL to buy them …", but surely anyone could see that was also meant as a bit of a joke? And maybe as an inducement to get people to actually subscribe?

And the 'secret project' bit – I think most of us knew all along that this was a joke. Certainly, our work on stoves has never been secret. Far from it!

Cheers

To be honest I thought it was a genuine reply that BPL was working on a production stove.

Roger — Since my post was directed to 'BPL' and you responded acoordingly, I too thought this was a BPL venture.

But regardless, my excitement is not diminished. If/when you and/or Tony and/or anyone else comes up with a truly simple and light weight remote canister stove, I would want to get my hands on one. If — after a few successful alpha tests — you need folks to test beta models — please feel free to let me know! :)

Roger,
You of all people should know better than to "joke" about a new state of the art, experimental, piece of gear, of your design, that "might" be for sale if only Ben would subscribe. To this group that's like yelling fire, in a crowded theater. I'm going to go into my gear closet, close the door, turn out the light and caress my Evans Ti Ca Ice Tool until my pulse stops racing.

Denis — yelling "fire" doesn't begin to describe the seriousness of the situation. To me — it's like pimping and then not having the goods! :(

Pimping hoes when you only carry shovels?

Yeah, something like that.. :)

I'd sure be in line for a Tony or Roger stove! I seem to recall Tony saying something to the effect of certification costing $10-15,000 dollars in another post, though. Say BPL were to back such a project and front the certification money… I came up with a completely random, out of thin air figure of $30 per unit as a "certification surcharge." They'd have to sell 400 units with that extra $30 each just to recoup costs (if it cost $12K)! Not to mention production/distribution, etc. I think they'd have to charge at least $120, quite likely more than that.

I like Ben's idea of kits. Could that get rid of most legal liabilities?

(I know this started out in fun, but hey, we can all dream, right?)

Evans Ti Ca Ice Tool: Development time = +/- 140 days. Cost = $215.00. Thrill factor (scale 1-10) = 10. Estimated days/year of use = 10. Cost per day for one year = $21.50.

Caffin SUL Remote Canister Titamium Stove: Development time = who knows. Cost = who cares. Thrill factor (scale 1-10) = 10. Estimated days/year of use = 35. Cost per day for one year = well worth it.

Roger, Roger, Roger…….

When will you learn that you can't joke with our friends accross the Pacific?

Although it was perfectly clear to you and I that this was never a goer commercially, this would be the equivalent of asking us all over for a barbie with the promise of free beer, and then presenting us with a Coopers homebrew kit. True, it's pretty funny, but it would only take one wrong word to turn nasty. (And that word would be XXXX)

Rod

> Roger,
> You of all people should know better than to "joke" about a new state of the art, experimental, piece of gear,
> of your design, that "might" be for sale if only …

I'm beginning to learn! Slowly … :-)

Cheers

Speaking of continuous feed, check out Tinny's crazy new stove, the "Choke Hazard."

http://minibulldesign.com/myadventure/

Scroll down to the October 26 entry and watch the video.

Now that IS cute!

That guy is CREATIVE at Mini-Bull Designs. Talk about a small stove and being able to refill on the fly if needed-wow! How many times has that happened to me in the middle of cooking.

Love it!

If you carry that stove as shown in the video, does it count against your base pack weight? ;)

"Maybe an alternative — after you've got your design tied down, tested and all — is to craft a limited number of "kits" and sell them privately? Not a legal expert by any imagination, but just asking out loud…" Ben

I too would definitely be interested. We could commission 2 sets of parts for our own MYOG projects. Neither sale would be of a gas stove.