I mentioned TNF Nuptse only because it's what I have in my kit. But the basic premise of many thin layers still obtains. The original topic I was responding to was how to make the MB inner down jacket useful in colder temperatures and I shared what I actually do and what worked. If I dispensed with the thin, 6 oz fleece, that would have been enough to push things right over the edge and I would have been one misserable puppy. But that isn't to say that's the right way or the only way. Your description would definitely work out just fine for plenty of poeple (but then MB was no longer the topic), but for me just unzipping a down jacket doesn't provide enough venting. Back in the day when I worked in the winter woods logging all I wore was a T shirt, Duofold longjohns and a wool shirt & pants. The work was demanding and relentless so that was all I needed. At the end of the day I would put on another wool shirt. Hence my affinity for Merino I guess. Lots of people won't go near it, preferring fleece instead, either because they're allergic to it or don't like that it's slow to dry. I find Merino luxurious, stink resistant, and I do my best to keep it dry as described. So with that in mind, the MB inner works well with the layers I have at hand: it's thin and works great insofar as an insulation layer and as a component of thermoregulation to prevent the layers from wetting out from too much perspiration.
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As a small woman (5'2"), an ultra-cold sleeper, & a zealot for cutting weight, I've been delighted with both generations of the UL jacket,a s well as my old (snap closure) UL vest. All scrunch into the smallest of stuff sacks, but still puff out sufficiently to afford significant warmth. I dump the old jacket into my pack every time I travel, regardless of whether I'm camping. The (old) jacket saved my…y'know…a couple of years ago in the Hoover Wilderness, as temperatures dove 30 degrees on a late Aug night. No, I wouldn't depend on it as an external layer for bushwacking, but it did just fine in camp. At 5am it remained my best friend, at 7am it threatened to overheat me, & at 8am it was stuffed into a corner of my pack. Yes, I would have survived without it — but it turned what would have been an uncomfortable evening into a snug one, at insignificant weight cost. I'm headed to the mountains next week, &, in this transitional season, the UL is guaranteed a spot in my pack.
Thanks for the info in the thread. I am looking at shedding some weight and adding warmth with an UL down jacket. My fleece weighs in at about 1.1lbs.
I have narrowed my search to two:
Mont-Bell Ex Light Jacket – $160
http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=70&p_id=2301344
Western Mountaineering Flash Jacket – $240
The Mont-Bell is lighter: 5.7oz vs. 9oz. The Flash has 3.0oz of fill vs. 1.8oz for the Ex Light. The Flash also has a hood. So I bet it is a warmer jacket. (Flash boasts 850 Plus down vs. 900 down for Ex Light). The Flash also has down-lined front pockets. The price difference is significant so I guess the question is, do I need the extra warmth?
Any thoughts, especially on the Flash if anyone has one?
A a more fair comparison might be between the Montbell Alpine Light Parka or the Montbell UL Down Inner Parka.
Here are the specs
MB Alpine Light Down Parka (Size M)
Weight – 14.2oz
Fill Weight – 4.2oz
MB UL Down Inner Parka (Size M)
Weight – 7.4oz
Fill Weight -2.1
The WM Flash Jacket is 9oz and has 3oz of fill so it fits right in between the two MB jackets. All three jackets are sewn through, and have insulated hoods and hand warmer pockets. Obviously the MB UL Down Inner Parka would be the least warm, and the MB Alpine Light Parka the warmest, with the WM Flash sitting right in between.
I am a big fan of Montbell insulating layers and have both a Thermawrap Jacket and a Alpine Down Jacket, and would love to be able to add any of the layers mentioned above. I also love WM sleeping bags, and have no doubt their jackets are just as nice. However, as the flash is $240 and prolitegear.com has both MB jackets on sale for $135, I don't think I could warrant spending the extra money. However, if you are looking for the best warmth to weight ratio and money isn't a big issue, check out the Nunatak fully baffled Skaha Plus.
http://www.nunatakusa.com/site07/garments/skaha_plus_muf.htm
I use a MontBell UL Down Inner Parka underneath my Mountain Hardware Parka shell in winter, on cold mornings during the fringe of 3 season hiking and will also be using it in conjunction with my Nunatak quilt during that time. It's a great combination of very, very light, as warm as a fleece, and packs away to almost nothing. My only complaint about the parka version is that there is no draw cord around the hood and the elastic is far too loose to keep it drawn in against my face. It does work well with a balaclava or similar headware. Since you're looking at the jacket it should work well for you.
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