Lightweight Shelter Roundup (Outdoor Retailer Summer Market 2008)
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Sep 9, 2008 at 2:26 pm #1231099Addie BedfordBPL Member
Companion forum thread to:Sep 9, 2008 at 3:28 pm #1450655Roger CaffinBPL Member
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Hang-em-high does not seem to have a search function, and the Tyvek is listed NOT under Fabric. Look under Paper!
cheersSep 9, 2008 at 5:25 pm #1450677Adrian BBPL Member
@adrianbLocale: Auckland, New Zealand
Do double wall tents with all mesh inners really differ that much from single wall tents with bathtub floors?Sep 9, 2008 at 10:07 pm #1450701Sep 9, 2008 at 11:50 pm #1450706Andrew DolmanMember
Please use metric units in addition to imperial.Sep 9, 2008 at 11:57 pm #1450707Roger CaffinBPL Member
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
> Do double wall tents with all mesh inners really differ that much from single wall tents with bathtub floors?
Well, they are probably heavier … :-)
Depends whether the bathtub floor is held up by netting to the roof. If it is (how else do you hold it up?), then both should be insect-proof. In that case, no functional difference.
The netting inner tent is a marketing thing – 'you can leave the fly behind' in the American summer. Don't try this in other countries – the weather may not be quite as stable!
CheersSep 10, 2008 at 12:08 am #1450710carlos fernandez rivasBPL Member
@pitagorinLocale: Galicia -Spain
About the rab summit extreme, there is a thing that i dont understand … I read frecuently that the exchange lite were a heavier cloth that event
But the new summit its bigger (taller) and lighter … ¿there is a new cloth?
How it can be compared to event?
If someone could give me more info about this tent is welcome
Its important because im interested in one high altitude tent for my next mont trip to nepal and the older summit is one of my favourites …Sep 10, 2008 at 4:34 am #1450719Woubeir (from Europe)BPL Member
Take a look at this for more details:
I don't know if Will tried to be ironic or that he really thinks exchange lite is something new, but in reality Exchange Lite is just a proprietary name used by RAB/Outdoor Designs. It used to be an air permeable version of gore-tex; today they use it for eVENT.Sep 10, 2008 at 6:03 am #1450726Ken ThompsonBPL Member
@hereLocale: Right there
Looks a lot like a double rainbow. Big Agnes does the short strut pole also.Sep 10, 2008 at 6:18 am #1450727Joe ClementBPL Member
I know this forum looks down at REI gear in a big way, but I paid $219 for a T3 last weekend. After replacing the stakes, and losing the storage bags, it weighs 4.55#. That isn't bad for a 3 person test, with 2 vestibules. You gotta admit, they're trying; albeit as much as they can while trying to reach a mass market.Sep 10, 2008 at 7:48 am #1450736gdinero seniorMember
Ok – so if BPL stakes weigh 6 grams each… just what is Terra doing to get down to a 1 gram stake? Or was that just a typo?Sep 10, 2008 at 8:29 am #1450740Huzefa @ Blue Bolt GearBPL Member
IIRC, BPL sells 1 gram stakes too.Sep 10, 2008 at 10:10 am #1450743Slo HikerBPL Member
@slohikerLocale: NC Foothills
Me too, David ….. I'll likely pass on the Carbon Reflex @ $450: My '06 Hubba was purchased new for $150, and my Fibraplex Carbon poles costs $115 … total weight with everything is 2 lbs 10 oz at a costs of $265.Sep 10, 2008 at 1:17 pm #1450767Scott SmithBPL Member
@mrmuddyLocale: Idaho Panhandle
As always, very well organized and detailed..
I LOVE this stuff !! And am grateful that this forum exists so that contributors , like Will, can share .
Thanks BPL !Sep 10, 2008 at 3:33 pm #1450783Walter UnderwoodBPL Member
@wunderLocale: San Francisco Bay Area
How about the Stephenson 2R two-wall four-season tent at 2.75 pounds? No mesh inner walls. My friend has one and loves it. I've been snow camping in that tent.
Perhaps you could borrow one and review it.Sep 10, 2008 at 4:00 pm #1450789Lynn TramperMember
@retropumpLocale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Stephenson's tents obviously didn't qualify for this review because they were not at this OR show. However, their tents are certainly worthy of inclusion in an overall comparison of lightweight double walled shelters.Sep 12, 2008 at 2:54 pm #1450992Sep 13, 2008 at 12:12 pm #1451036Will RietveldBPL Member
@williwabbitLocale: Southwest Colorado
Hi All. I have been away for a week hiking on the CDT. Here are my responses to some of the questions raised about the shelters roundup.
Tyvek: On the Hang 'em High website, click on "catalog", then enter "Tyvek" in the search box and it will come up.
Terra Nova 1 gram stakes: They actually weigh 1.28 gram (.045 ounce) each. They are like tooth picks, and I wonder how well they will secure a tent. It takes 12 of them to stake the Laser Photon. I think some heftier stakes are needed to secure the 4 main guylines on the tent, at least.
ID Bug Dome/SilDome Tent: They use the same pole, and the combination makes into a double wall tent if the SilDome is laid over the BugDome with pole. I don't know if they attach together so they can be set up as a unit.
Stephenson's 2R: I don't believe this is a new tent. Note that our Outdoor Retailer LW shelters roundup only focuses on new tents hitting the market in 08 and 09, and does not cover older models.
Exchange Lite Fabric: I double checked and was told that it is an eVENT product. I believe the GTX product is FLO2.
Best, WillSep 13, 2008 at 1:34 pm #1451044Sep 13, 2008 at 2:54 pm #1451048Robert DeMoroBPL Member
I have the Stephenson 3R. Tons of room for two and gear. Great so far. It is relatively light for a double wall at a little under four pounds; however, it also seems to be extremely sturdy. At least for me, it is a good compromise bewteen light weight and the insistence that in so far as possible equipment failure is not an option when deep in the backcountry.Sep 15, 2008 at 1:29 pm #1451185Andy DixonMember
excellent assessment, hope the author doesnt mind me posting a link here:
note the vestibule!Sep 15, 2008 at 3:32 pm #1451195Rog TallblokeBPL Member
@tallblokeLocale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
I note the weight of the vestibule in addition to the 2kg tent is not quoted. :-)
Good article though, and comments about the need for a tent made me think. I still like the roominess of my Hex 3 which is pretty bombproof in high wind, and big enough to not have to worry about condensation too much.
Half the weight too, including a MYOG Tyvek bathtub groundsheet.
Roger: The hex 3 has loops sewn in to support the bathtub walls.Sep 18, 2008 at 7:10 am #1451486Ryan GardnerSpectator
…Sep 25, 2008 at 1:10 pm #1452220Matt LutzMember
I was going to say the same thing about the MSR tents. They look great, but I'll take my DoubleRainbow over a double wall for any 3+ season hike. I like being able to set the tent up in the rain and not worry about soaking my tent floor. I guess it is kudos to Henry Shires – imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Excellent article – please keep it up.
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