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    eric de haan
    BPL Member

    @eric203

    Thank you Richard for the specs.

    #2238846
    Brett Peugh
    BPL Member

    @bpeugh

    Locale: Midwest

    My Crest Hoody has a CFM of about 18 and HH of about 500-800 according to Westcomb.

    #2238871
    Edward Barton
    BPL Member

    @porosantihodos

    Locale: Boston

    Awhile back Richard tested a Rab Alpine jacket of Serge's (made of Equilibrium), which had been used 20-25 nights, and the CFM tested at 111, with a HH of 70. There was the suggestion that perhaps the PU coating applied by Rab had degraded, raising the CFM and lowering the HH of the fabric. The other thing about Equilibrium is that it is a stretch weave, and gets stretched when placed in a testing apparatus, which requires a taught surface. This may further explain the unexpectedly high CFM as it was recorded. The consensus is that Equilibrium is more breathable than something like a Squamish, closer to an Alpine Start (which tests around 70 CFM), and less breathable than a Boreas. Others have commented that it is better for higher MET activities like running or skinning or fastpacking, but may have too much breathability for general backpacking use at a slower pace, and the rain protection is on the lower end. If I had to choose one set-up for unexpected conditions and trips of longer duration, it might be a hybrid, with lots of venting options and good shoulder and high chest protection – something like equilibrium or EPIC in more protected areas, and maybe the new silpoly from RBTR for the shoulders, high chest, and lower arms, which can be pushed up if needed, and are often the first to wet out, because they pick up the most dirt and oil. Then perhaps a hybrid lining as well – a mix of cap 4 and lightweight cap would be interesting.

    #2238872
    Edward Barton
    BPL Member

    @porosantihodos

    Locale: Boston

    Richard, I wonder what other Level 4 Gen II windshirts you've tested? In searching for a cheaper, better fitting alternative to the WT multicam, I've come across a Patagonia branded Level 4 Gen II windshirt with a simple design much like the Houdini – elastic hood and cuffs, one interior chest pocket. If you haven't tested this model, perhaps you'd consider it?

    #2238895
    Richard Nisley
    BPL Member

    @richard295

    Locale: San Francisco Bay Area

    Edward, I am in the field for a month and bushwhacking most of the time. Today I am wearing a Level 4 made by Beyond Clothing because it is cold and very rainy. I lab tested it at 773.4mm HH and .58CFM. It's at the opposite HH extreme of the Patagonia Level 4 which I also lab tested, field tested, and previously posted the lab results to the forum. It lab tested 70mm HH and 35.4 CFM. Each individual will have a different set of objectives and so what is best for them may be different than me. With that caveat, I use the Level 4 Patagonia primarily for trail wear. I use the Level 4 WT 1.0 when a trip will involve a wide range of conditions. I use the Level 4 Beyond Clothing as a Paramo surrogate when a trip is primarily bushwhacking in the rain. The DWR on a Paramo or conventional WPB would be gone after a day versus no limit for the surrogate. Based on the effective temperature, under it I wear a Cap 4 or R1; plus an R2 vest for very cold conditions.

    #2239047
    Brett Peugh
    BPL Member

    @bpeugh

    Locale: Midwest

    I did notice that eBay has some WT 1.0s XXLs for $45 shipped and some other sizes under $50.

    #2239050
    Mike M
    BPL Member

    @mtwarden

    Locale: Montana

    I picked up an Orc for $49 shipped, not too shabby :)

    #3367093
    Brett Peugh
    BPL Member

    @bpeugh

    Locale: Midwest

    The Wild Things WT 1.0 in XXL weighs 12.  I have been told a Beyond Fleece M4 weighs 10.4 in XXL and a M weighs about 7.  The WT 1.0 is pretty okay but a bit small for an XXL, especially a military XXL.

    #3367571
    Brett Peugh
    BPL Member

    @bpeugh

    Locale: Midwest

    The Beyond M4 actually weighs 12.9oz in XXL but also is much bigger around everywhere, longer, has a full zipper, better cuffs, etc.

    #3368040
    Brett Peugh
    BPL Member

    @bpeugh

    Locale: Midwest

    Wait, I just realized something.  The Beyond Level 4 only has a CFM of .58?  That seems REALLY low.

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