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Nov 18, 2015 at 6:46 am #2238836
Thank you Richard for the specs.
Nov 18, 2015 at 7:57 am #2238846My Crest Hoody has a CFM of about 18 and HH of about 500-800 according to Westcomb.
Nov 18, 2015 at 10:24 am #2238871Awhile back Richard tested a Rab Alpine jacket of Serge's (made of Equilibrium), which had been used 20-25 nights, and the CFM tested at 111, with a HH of 70. There was the suggestion that perhaps the PU coating applied by Rab had degraded, raising the CFM and lowering the HH of the fabric. The other thing about Equilibrium is that it is a stretch weave, and gets stretched when placed in a testing apparatus, which requires a taught surface. This may further explain the unexpectedly high CFM as it was recorded. The consensus is that Equilibrium is more breathable than something like a Squamish, closer to an Alpine Start (which tests around 70 CFM), and less breathable than a Boreas. Others have commented that it is better for higher MET activities like running or skinning or fastpacking, but may have too much breathability for general backpacking use at a slower pace, and the rain protection is on the lower end. If I had to choose one set-up for unexpected conditions and trips of longer duration, it might be a hybrid, with lots of venting options and good shoulder and high chest protection – something like equilibrium or EPIC in more protected areas, and maybe the new silpoly from RBTR for the shoulders, high chest, and lower arms, which can be pushed up if needed, and are often the first to wet out, because they pick up the most dirt and oil. Then perhaps a hybrid lining as well – a mix of cap 4 and lightweight cap would be interesting.
Nov 18, 2015 at 10:29 am #2238872Richard, I wonder what other Level 4 Gen II windshirts you've tested? In searching for a cheaper, better fitting alternative to the WT multicam, I've come across a Patagonia branded Level 4 Gen II windshirt with a simple design much like the Houdini – elastic hood and cuffs, one interior chest pocket. If you haven't tested this model, perhaps you'd consider it?
Nov 18, 2015 at 11:40 am #2238895Edward, I am in the field for a month and bushwhacking most of the time. Today I am wearing a Level 4 made by Beyond Clothing because it is cold and very rainy. I lab tested it at 773.4mm HH and .58CFM. It's at the opposite HH extreme of the Patagonia Level 4 which I also lab tested, field tested, and previously posted the lab results to the forum. It lab tested 70mm HH and 35.4 CFM. Each individual will have a different set of objectives and so what is best for them may be different than me. With that caveat, I use the Level 4 Patagonia primarily for trail wear. I use the Level 4 WT 1.0 when a trip will involve a wide range of conditions. I use the Level 4 Beyond Clothing as a Paramo surrogate when a trip is primarily bushwhacking in the rain. The DWR on a Paramo or conventional WPB would be gone after a day versus no limit for the surrogate. Based on the effective temperature, under it I wear a Cap 4 or R1; plus an R2 vest for very cold conditions.
Nov 19, 2015 at 8:31 am #2239047I did notice that eBay has some WT 1.0s XXLs for $45 shipped and some other sizes under $50.
Nov 19, 2015 at 9:14 am #2239050I picked up an Orc for $49 shipped, not too shabby :)
Nov 26, 2015 at 8:26 am #3367093The Wild Things WT 1.0 in XXL weighs 12. I have been told a Beyond Fleece M4 weighs 10.4 in XXL and a M weighs about 7. The WT 1.0 is pretty okay but a bit small for an XXL, especially a military XXL.
Nov 29, 2015 at 8:42 am #3367571The Beyond M4 actually weighs 12.9oz in XXL but also is much bigger around everywhere, longer, has a full zipper, better cuffs, etc.
Dec 1, 2015 at 9:42 am #3368040Wait, I just realized something. The Beyond Level 4 only has a CFM of .58? That seems REALLY low.
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