Manufacturers with no weights listed?

I avoid any brand of outdoor gear that does not list their weights. Either they don't care about or don't want people to know the weight. As a general rule, these products aren't suited light weight backpacking.

There are lots of items out there that seem like they could suit your needs until you weigh them.

And Terramar and Columbia are two companies I avoid, but not only because of weight. I've owned gear from both companies and regret my purchases.

It's weird that quite some manufacturers mention their products as ultralight without listing the weights.

I find this is part of the changing demands of the market. If they want to cater at all to the new wave of lightweight hikers, they NEED to post their weights. Unfortunately, we are still quite a small minority and I think they prob don't see making a ton of money of this crowd (us). As someone who works with the general public and products, there is a change in the way people think. More and more people are accepting the idea of lowering pack weight to more easily enjoy their time outdoors and they are willing to pay for it.

I have noticed more companies starting to clearly list weights of their products. Eastern Mountain Sports is even starting to do that. (I first noticed with the EMS storm front rain jacket (full featured 3 layer pit zips etc for 10.7oz).

Sea-to-Summit is very good about posting product weight clearly on the actual product packaging in store. Great for us consumers who forget to bring our nerdy scales with us.

Marketing in action. Weight is relative. Most people don't care. Welcome to the fringe.

Just email and ask about the piece(s) you're interested in.

They don't even know. Or it's wrong. And for what particular size is that weight for?

Yeah, if they don't list the weight, it's rarely light. I can think of a few exceptions of a generally marketed items that have uses for ULers. Duluth Trading mostly makes work clothes but their wicking t-shirt is very affordable and the "anti-plumber's butt" cut very handy for us long-torso'ed celts. There's a wicking Jockey brief that looks like bike / exercise shorts but is far cheaper, lighter and quicker drying. When I propose something like that in response to someone's Q, I post the weight and size based on my own gear.

Yeah, and retailers like REI don't consistently list weights either, even on their own producymts. Worse yet are inaccurate weights or not specifying the size used for the weight listed. Very odd when it could work to their advantage. It's not rocket science!

Seems most 'mainstream' gear makers either list optimistic weights or skip altogether. It's often the boutique makers who list with accuracy/honesty.