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Feb 15, 2016 at 7:46 pm #3382275
I must admit, Chase that seeing you at the start point last summer with your clearly well thought out ultralight loadout counter-balanced by that hand cannon gave me a chuckle.
Feb 16, 2016 at 12:19 am #3382305It was funny, Derek. I laughed out loud when I read that. Maybe I’ll bring the Ti .44 now, it’s now a multi-purpose item. Thanks, Derek!
BTW Derek; that NOLS video was the best advice I’ve ever heard on bears in the wild; the data was shocking and the advice more concise than anything I’ve read. That guy had me almost rolling on the floor laughing evey time he’d make fun of the common beliefs we’re told about bears; hilarious. The bear bell experiment he did was awesome. If it weren’t for LNT that bear bell would’ve been on the bottom of the Flathead on day 2.
Feb 17, 2016 at 11:10 am #3382568Nice video, Chase. It’s fun to see your perspective on many of the same things I was experiencing and thinking (excitement, sore/tired body, what does the SF look like, etc).
I found it interesting that you were having problems with your Delorme on Sunday. Mine stopped working from about 7pm Saturday until mid-afternoon on Sunday when I reset it. Strangely, all of my tracking points and messages from the outage period arrived later the next week. When I told this to a Delorme rep his response was “Oh, good. So it sounds like it worked.” I did use the Delorme again in July last summer on a week + trip in the Bob without any issues, but I don’t really trust it anymore.
Feb 17, 2016 at 11:50 am #3382582Watched the whole thing while writing TPS reports this morning, and was disappointed at the lack of gibbering hypothermia footage. ;)
Lots of good lessons for newcomers in the vid, foremost being that a partner and good attitude makes all the difference.
Feb 17, 2016 at 12:06 pm #3382585team frybake colorful shorts.
Feb 17, 2016 at 1:41 pm #3382609Huh, I use a Delorme almost weekly and rarely have problems – only when I’m up a creek drainage with particularly dense cover (and I live in Western WA, so dense cover = really dense :). Even then, the Delorme can usually get at least one or two points out.
SPOT, on the other hand, was a nightmare…
Feb 19, 2016 at 10:07 pm #3383242Mike M (and anyone else who doesn’t have a packraft) – You mentioned you were doing 100% hiking… have you found a reasonable route from the wilderness boundary to Cedar Creek CG? Lion Creek looks like a good exit point, but then you’re looking at approx 20 miles of gravel road walking to get to Cedar Creek CG.
It seems like rafting the Swan from Lion to Cedar Creek is the most elegant/sensible solution, but I don’t have a packraft… Pondering how to tackle those last 10-20 miles.Feb 20, 2016 at 8:15 am #3383282Jessica- hello. we’re hoping we can talk someone into shuttling our mtn bikes around to the west side near the trailhead so we can just jump on them and go- we’re hoping to employ a similar strategy from Bean Lake to the trailhead; if not we’ll have to hoof it :)
it looks like taking the FS road 9882 (Van Lake Rd) vs 5383, to 83 and 83 to Cedar Ck campground is around 10 miles
Mike
Feb 20, 2016 at 8:28 am #3383285Hi Mike,
Thanks for the response. I assumed 83 was paved and therefore not allowed (“no linear travel on the surface of paved roads”). Or am I misunderstanding the rules? Using 83 makes things a lot more straightforward!
Also, I figured a bike shuttle might count as “pre-planned assistance.”
But maybe I am worrying too much about the rules? As you know, I’m new to this event and not sure about the finer points. :)Feb 20, 2016 at 8:47 am #3383292you’re correct- 83 is paved; I didn’t see a way of completely avoiding 83- I’d have no problem taking all gravel, just haven’t seen it yet- maybe I’m missing the obvious
I’ll have to defer to Dave on the finer points :)
Feb 20, 2016 at 8:59 am #3383293just looked a little closer, not sure on land ownership (maybe deeded?) but it looks like if you could find a legal spot to cross you could pick up the Shay Lake Rd on the other side of the road (gravel) and take it to the campground- looks like 11-ish miles that way
Feb 20, 2016 at 9:19 am #3383300Yeah, I mapped out a route that crosses 83 using FS 966, then heads north using 10381 to 10182 to the campground. That’s a 20-mile road-walk out of Lion Creek… It’s the last stretch, maybe I’ll just throw my pack in a plastic bag and float the Swan on my back! :)
Feb 20, 2016 at 1:06 pm #3383348I’m pretty skeptical on the idea of having someone drive your mountain bikes around to the other side. If you’re participating in the event and wish to do so within the suggested etiquette then it would be a hard argument to make that having such help wouldn’t be classified as pre-planned assistance. It doesn’t bother me personally – I’m just trying to look at it through as bi-partisan eyes as possible.
As for floating the Swan I see no reason that wouldn’t be acceptable since that’s all considered “public land which drains into either the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans” (at least until the Koch Brother’s pawns in the Montana government do away with our Stream Access Laws).
Feb 22, 2016 at 7:51 am #3383714“No linear travel on the surface of paved roads.”
The ditch is fair game.
Good thing Mike added that smiley, else he’d have to come out of retirement and arrest himself.
Feb 22, 2016 at 9:03 am #3383734Thanks for the clarification Sir :)
training- training has been going pretty well; I’m doing my hill repeat session once a week and getting between 25-35 miles of trail running in. I’m trying to use one weekend day for longer ski or snowshoe trips- yesterday got in 13 miles (7 hours) of snowshoeing up to CaseyPeak: a real grueller!
Feb 22, 2016 at 10:09 am #3383755Between hauling a six month old in a ski trailer all winter and giving up sugar for the past two months my legs are better at his point then any year since 2011.
Heavy training conditions, long durations, and conditions which stress your joints is the recipe for good training. Last year my mid-winter volume was lacking and the hill intervals I did in early spring were like adding premium seasoning to a bad rump roast.
Feb 22, 2016 at 1:42 pm #3383831not pulling a young one, but can attest to pulling being effective- been pulling a pulk for some of my overnighters and can definitely feel it!
hill repeats hurt, but very beneficial- great bang for the time
Mar 2, 2016 at 6:14 am #3386123Here in Minnesota steep hills are hard to find. I have been stair climbing daily at work, it is about 100 vertical feet from the basement to the top, I do that until my legs and lungs are burning.
The weather forecast for the Midwest and northwest this spring is well above average temperatures. I am wondering if that will mean rain instead of snow at lower altitudes and a lot less snow pack.
Here the snow is already gone, which will most likely mean a very short whitewater season this spring. My hope for the Bob at the end of May is, optimal pack rafting flows…
Mar 2, 2016 at 9:39 am #3386162I thought they were way off on the El Niño predictions this Fall as we got a lot of snow (and cold) November and December, but January and February someone cranked up the heat and turned the spigot off. I guess they knew what they were talking about afterall
Mar 2, 2016 at 1:22 pm #3386247Weird winter, not yet as bad as last year. Hope March is cold.
I do think the South Fork is floatable right now, and in a few days am heading in to find out.
Mar 10, 2016 at 3:08 pm #3388121This past Sunday-Wednesday I skied in past Upper Holland Lake and Gordon Pass, down Gordon Creek, floated from the mouth of Gordon down to the Meadow Creek takeout, then walked and skied up Bunker Creek over Inspiration Pass and then down the South Fork of Lost Creek to the plowed (logging crews) road in the valley floor.
Above 5500′ there is plenty of snow on all aspects. Skiing down from Gordon Pass to the Shaw patrol cabin, for example, was good (even in the rain). Coverage all the way down the Gordon trail was better than expected, I hiked probably 3/4 of a mile total, and when there was snow there was 1-2 feet.
This was the lowest level at which I’ve floated the South Fork, probably ever, and certainly the lowest I’ve floated above Salmon Forks. I’d guess the Twin Creeks gauge would read ~300 cfs were it in operation. Monday afternoon I floated from Gordon to Salmon Forks in around five hours, had to get out to drag the boat half a dozen times, and ran aground many more. It worked, but is not really recommended. Lots of snow and shelf ice down at river level on all aspects which don’t get plenty of direct sun. I spooked a herd of ~100 elk right across from the mouth of the White River, at one point I was 50 yards upstream as they completely blocked the river.
Floating from Salmon Forks to the take out the next morning took five hours, with mostly constant paddling and one break. The Meadow Creek portage was 50/50 skiing and hiking. Lower Bunker is being logged after the fire this summer, so the road in has been plowed all the way from highway 2. 5 miles of road walking was not what I had planned, but as soon as the rivers go up access will be good this spring. The first few miles beyond the summer gate were thin, but the skiing beyond that was good. Descending into Lost Creek I had 4 inches of fresh dust on crust and what would have been quality leterrip tree skiing if not for the skinny skis and big pack. The road up to the summer TH in Lost Creek gets snowmachine traffic, and was packed fast snow most of the way down to the valley.
In short, snow in the high country is holding fast, but the lower and mid elevations are in a tenuous spot. Not as early a melt as last year, but could tip over quickly with a few warm days.
Mar 10, 2016 at 4:25 pm #3388158thanks for the recon Dave! looks to be a decent chance of moisture early next week; not holding my breath though
I’d be willing to bet you had the whole Bob to yourself (save the wapiti) :)
Mar 17, 2016 at 8:33 am #3389763Hey BMWO crew!! Finally ponied up for the $5 BPL forum subscription. Looking forward to this years adventure (or death march). Started planning a route last summer and have been checking snowtel daily….
Something about the Bob gets inside and doesn’t seem to let go. Got a pretty good bout of tendinitis after the Birch Creek section so hoping to finish this year with no pain and a big smile (the latter is guaranteed) :)
Mar 18, 2016 at 12:49 pm #3390097Hi John :)
Birch Ck was a b1tch- wouldn’t have been too bad if whoever ran their stock through there had a lick of sense.
Anyone know where a accurate 2015 fire map could be located?
Mar 18, 2016 at 1:21 pm #3390123Found this. Not super detailed but gives a good idea.
Here’s the link:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/activefiremaps/nrw2015243_0300.jpg
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