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Build a better raincoat

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AK Granola BPL Member
PostedJul 19, 2015 at 10:14 pm

I have read probably every thread for the last 5 years on rain jackets. I've read reviews on every conceivable gear seller website, tried on all the jackets I could find, and have purchased 5-6 different ones in the last few years, none of which serve well the purpose of staying dry while hiking. I'm not happy with any of them, really. I'm happy with most of my other gear; it's not that I'm overly particular. But no one has really made a better rain jacket for hiking, as far as I can tell. I still often end up in my ancient Helly Hansen, which is great for weight loss through sweating, but will keep me warm and dry from the outside moisture.

So I have this idea for a rain coat that might be workable; wish I could do more sewing than replacing buttons and halfhearted attempts at Halloween costumes. If I could, I'd model it after a contemporary Inuit kuspuk, with a "skirt" that covers hips to mid-thigh. That design would incorporate the coverage of a skirt, sending drips to the lower portion of the legs instead of to the crotch like most jackets; why in the world do they always make them so short? It would be loose to allow full range of motion and women's bathroom needs, unlike rain pants. It would be gathered at the waist to keep in warmth (perhaps not what those who do the PCT want, but definitely what we need here in Alaska when it rains). So it wouldn't blow about like a poncho, or be tight and hard to walk in like a cagoule. Sleeves would include a bit of interior fleece at the wrist to keep drips at bay, especially when working with the hands, preparing food, pitching a tent, etc. A large hood with a drawstring would accommodate a decently warm hat underneath, or in a downpour, a regular rain hat; I'd add some fleece to the neck area too. Instead of the big pocket kuspuks have, two zippered pockets would be handy. And all in a more breathable waterproof fabric.

Until someone steals the idea – go ahead! then let me know – I guess I'll keep dragging out the HH jacket.At least sitting in camp I'm warm and dry!

Ken Thompson BPL Member
PostedJul 20, 2015 at 6:40 am

Damp, yet warm. Embrace it until technology saves us. Thoughts on an umbrella?

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedJul 20, 2015 at 6:51 am

Yeah!

I make my own. Down to a little above knees. Longer than that inhibits leg movement. Two way separating zipper so I can zip it up a little from the bottom. There's an article in MYOG.

Also, fairly loose around for better air flow.

Having a lining on the hood and shoulders helps. Have the outer layer a little bigger around so there's an air space. My 2.5 layer eVent delaminated after a while. A lining will absorb body oil and reduce this.

thru-hiker.com sells Pertex Shield which should make a good jacket

PostedJul 20, 2015 at 9:12 am

Wouldn't a short rain jacket and a rain skirt work together? Are you tall? Because I am short and I can pull the rain skirt waistband up high so the jacket waistband is over and the skirt is still below the knee for me. I have a ULA rain skirt and a Z-packs jacket.

I don't like pockets on my rain gear so much as openings through which I can get to my regular pockets.

Dale Wambaugh BPL Member
PostedJul 20, 2015 at 10:35 am

Use side vents that go all the way to the hem like Outdoor Research's TorsoFlo concept. That aids making a longer jacket too.

AK Granola BPL Member
PostedJul 20, 2015 at 3:32 pm

I think an umbrella would be a disaster in the wind up here. I rarely even use one in town; much of the time if it's raining, it's blowing. I tend to hike in high open country, not forests.

AK Granola BPL Member
PostedJul 20, 2015 at 3:40 pm

Thanks for all the suggestions. I think I need to learn to sew! You guys are inspiring me. Maybe when it's minus 40 this winter…and I'll incorporate some of your ideas into my design.

On some of the longer jackets folks have suggested here, they look very tight around the hips/legs, built more for walking to and from the car and not for crawling through alders or crossing streams. Maybe they are looser than they look. Kilt is an interesting idea, but one more thing to carry.

I was astonished at the last few jackets I tried on (Patagonia in particular, but also Marmot and MHW) how tight they are around the hips (I have a few extra pounds, but no I'm not that big :) – they seem designed for very tiny-hipped people with humongously long arms. Maybe that's what happens to your body when you do through-hikes – I've never done more than short trips so I don't know. I tried on both men's and women's jackets, but that seems to be the trend – the arms are incredible! And I don't want to have to pull the jacket up to sit down because there's no give in the hem.

I might try this one until I can make something:
http://www.sierradesigns.com/product/womens-pack-trench

Thanks again guys.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedJul 20, 2015 at 3:44 pm

since it's women's, they make the waist smaller? To look good?

better to be the same diameter from top to bottom. Also a little easier

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedJul 20, 2015 at 8:10 pm

One thing about separate rain skirt is there isn't as much air flow inside. Where the skirt is against your waist. If it's a coat hanging down, air is free to flow.

But I have an elastic around waist to keep it from flapping in the wind, so it doesn't make that much difference. It's loosly against my waist. If it was a skirt, it would have to be tighter to hold it up.

I would have to wear a kilt though : )

If it's not windy I'll leave coat unzipped, or I'll zip up from the bottom and have only a short section zipped at the top. Better air flow. Not so effective with skirt.

PostedJul 20, 2015 at 11:19 pm

I have modified a driducks/frogg toggs suit by using the legs of the pants to extend the coat's length. Basically I cut strips from the pant legs and sewed them to the bottom of the coat. Then taped the seam (inside part) with tyvek tape. This allowed me to extend the coat's length slightly higher than my knees.

edit: driducks pants have the reputation of being useless as they rip easily at the crotch.

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