Locus Gear Hapi Pyramid with MLD Solo Innernet. Possible?

your problem is going to be the orientation of the doors. The MLD solo innernet has the door on the side, the Hapi has the entrance at the front.

I was thinking with the solo innernet it wouldn't be an issue because it only takes up half of the hapi interior so I good still get in. I definitely can see this being an issue with a duomid inner/Hapi combo.

I read one of your other threads. Did you complete your inner sewing project? How did it turn out? Weight?

Also, was there other reasons besides weight why you weren't happy with the Bearpawd inner. I was considering them also.

I'm not sure about fit, since I didn't look up any dimensions, but the below photo of an Ultamid (which also has the entrance on the short side) gives you an idea of how to orient the solo inner. Doesn't look too bad.

*photo credit goes to Nielsen Brown Outdoors

Have you tried contacting Locus Gear and asking for a half sized inner? I've seen 1/2, 2/3, and 3/4 inners from them, so I don't see why it'd be an issue.

I have a Hapi CTF3 that weighs it at ~11.3oz (inner is about 15oz), so it's larger and lighter than the Duomid (per specs). It also has the doors on the short side so there is no climbing over others..

Just a thought but if you want to push the inner net to one side the SMD internet may work best as it is a half pyramid shape.

Drew,
I must've miscalculated, I thought the Hapi was 13.1 oz. I guess I messed up the gram to oz conversion. Even better. I could ask Locus Gear but their lightest option is silnylon. Besides the weight savings, I like CF better. Thanks for the heads up though.

Bradford,
I hadn't thought of that. I'll check into it.

Thanks

You could always have Bearpaw do a custom cuben inner to the dimensions you want.

"Drew,
I must've miscalculated, I thought the Hapi was 13.1 oz. I guess I messed up the gram to oz conversion. Even better. I could ask Locus Gear but their lightest option is silnylon."

My Hapi has the additional guylines and tieout patches and weights 11.45oz on my scale. The one without those options is 320g (divide by 28.35 to get oz) or 11.29oz.

Updated my previous post to show inside space. That is a 25" pad with a 20" pad.

Lots of good comments on here so far. I'll attempt to add a little. I will say that as far as the original question is concerned, since I have not finalized my purchase yet, I can't advise as to what is or isn't possible. Clearly though, as noted above, orientation is an issue.

One thing that you will want to have, from what I understand, is an inside hanging loop from the apex that you can attach a third party inner to. I understand that there isn't one as a standard feature. (I might be mistaken) I'm not sure how you can add one if it's indeed necessary.

Yes, as noted above LG offers various sizes but no cuben option. In my own research among mids this size I found that to be a "con" for LG shelter systems. The cuben MLD options are lighter than the 3 options offered by LG. in some cases by a very long shot. However, it's worth noting that the *weight* of the cuben fiber employed by MLD appears to be the .74oz, which is a lighter/less durable material than other reputable (read: competing) manufacturers' floors. Now, MLD enjoys a good reputation and I have yet to run across complaints about these floors' durability. I do have to wonder (and am doing so out loud) if other manufacturers are wise in employing the heavier material for floors.

Ultimately, for my own prospective purchase, I'd like to be able to have the option of getting 1oz cuben fiber floor from LG. I'd then weigh the cost (pun intended) and go from there. My guess is that it may save a few ounces but for exceptional waterproofing and reasonable durability it may be worth it to me.

"I read one of your other threads. Did you complete your inner sewing project? How did it turn out? Weight?

Also, was there other reasons besides weight why you weren't happy with the Bearpawd inner. I was considering them also."

Nope – never did the inner. The MLD option turned out to be pretty sweet and worked just fine for me.

I was terribly disappointed in both the quality of the Bearpaw inner as well as the bulk and weight. It was just not at all what I'd come to expect from the cottage guys – of course, MLD and zimmerbuilt and EE and Katabatic have me terribly spoiled…..

Nice avatar!

Thanks for all of the input. As of now, I think I will start off with buying a Hapi. I really like the design and will most likely use it without an inner unless needed. I also was thinking about a loop and other attachment points. I am going to ask LG to add these. If they won't, I may just use CF tape and create some make shift ones. Any other ideas?

If MLD accepts unused returns, I will definitely buy a CF Solo innernet and try to make it work. If it doesn't work, I figure I'll make my own. Since it's an inner I'm not as concerned with my average at best sewing skills. I'd feel differently if I was trying to make the actual mid. @Jennifer: thanks for the heads up about Bearpawd because I was actually considering that option.

@Ken: haha… I had to since my friend and just finished thru hiking it. The sand and rocks are no joke.

I'll probably order one in a couple of weeks so I guess I'll report back in a few weeks.

I read over on Dan Durston's Khufu review (in the comments) that LG will install a loop. Not sure about how compatible the lower attachments points would be or if they come standard/custom.

I am looking at the weights for the Happi in CF and it made me start wondering, why is Locus Gear so much lighter than MLD? They use the same weight cuben fiber apparently so it must be either features and or construction methods. I do know my Solomid XL seems to have a ton of interior tieouts with mitten hooks (including two in the peak-I haven't figured out why it has two yet) as well as line locks, a plastic buckle and three plastic snaps on the door.

I just would have expected the weights to be closer for otherwise very similar shelters.

bradford I wondered that too…

has anyone cut these off? I'm afraid to mess with general perfection, but I just don't need all those hooks in there….

I have a sil Khufu, latest version and it came with a sewn in loop at the peak. I think that is standard now but I would check to confirm. No other attachment points on the inside of the shelter.

As far as weight comparison between MLD as Brad mentioned, LG uses a #3 zipper, no storm flap on the zipper and doesn't have the ton of interior attachment points that MLD has. LG also uses no snaps or buckle at the zipper. Those are all little things but they add up. This is just speculation but perhaps also the tape MLD uses could be wider and thicker.

Also, MLD has a much beefier vent, with pretty heavy duty velcro and a heavy wand.

I'm curious how LG handles the seams on their cuben shelters. Are they all sewn and taped?

I have a Hapi CTF3 and I can confirm that mine has the interior apex attachment loop (grosgrain). I didn't ask for it, so it must be a standard feature. However, I also have the mesh inner which I ordered at the same time, so perhaps that was why it was included? I do think it's just standard though.

Regarding weight vs MLD and seams, does anyone know if stitching seams is lighter than taping/bonding? All of the seams on my cuben Hapi area stitched, which could be why it's so much lighter than the smaller MLD duomid. It has 8 midpanel tie outs and 8 perimeter tie outs, but no interior mitten hooks.

I asked Locus Gear about seam sealing and why they don't do it, and I was told that very very few of their customers have ever had an issue with rain coming through. Apparently they use a tiny custom made needle so that the holes are smaller, but the yarn/thread they use is thicker so it's a very exacting stitch that they make.

I've cranked down my Hapi with a lot of tension and have not seen the stake out points or any of the other seams expand or have any issues. I also did a sprinkler/hose rain simulation without issue. After reading some other threads about bonding issues, I'm glad I went with a sewn shelter. However, I'd of course prefer a taped then sewn shelter if the weight wasn't too much more.

After reading another thread, I PM'ed member, John Demorris, who has a Khufu and MLD Solo innernet. He responded saying that they do work together but his Khufu doesn't have a loop at the top. He said the DPTE from LG has a shock cord loop that he hangs the innernet mitten hook from or if using 1 pole he hooks the mitten hook to the trekking pole wrist strap. It sounds like LG now adds the upper attachment loop. At least if requested.

For the other attachment points for the MLD solo innernet, I'm thinking of attaching these where needed on the inside of the Hapi.

http://zpacks.com/large_image.shtml?accessories/tape/stick_on_loop_clear_l.jpg

Maybe reinforce it with CF tape.