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The Air Ambulance Story Continues

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PostedMay 5, 2015 at 12:33 pm

From the New York Times
(http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/business/rescued-by-an-air-ambulance-but-stunned-at-the-sky-high-bill.html?_r=0)

If Medicare covers your ambulance trip, you pay 20% of the Medicare-approved amount, after you’ve met the yearly Part B deductible. (https://www.medicare.gov/Pubs/pdf/11021.pdf)

$47,182 x 20% = $9,436
$36,646 x 20% = $7,329
$22,150 x 20% = $4,430

Because Medicare is covering less and less, air ambulance rates are increasing to cover that offset.

“…Air Methods’ average bill in 2014 was $40,766, compared with roughly $17,262 five years earlier. A law that deregulated the airline industry in the 1970s has prevented states from capping the amount air ambulances can charge.”

Although you might be a private payer, you will still be charged that rate.

If you have private or employer provided insurance you need read the fine print.

PostedMay 5, 2015 at 12:43 pm

Check out AAA's top end membership. My Pemier membership covers up to $25,000. for medical evacuation and $300,000. total medical costs (all worldwide).

NOTE: I've been told that AAA will pay IN ADDITION to my Medicare part B insurance. (Yes, I'm a Medicare geezer.)

2ND NOTE: AAA will only cover you with the above medical insurance if you are more than 100 miles from home – a standard for most companies issuing this type of insurance. Still. $119. is not a high yearly premium for this insurance which, naturally, includes road service and many retail discounts.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedMay 5, 2015 at 2:27 pm

Fascinating stuff.
Ambulance services in Australia, including air lift, are all free. But we are a poor country.

Cheers

Terran BPL Member
PostedMay 5, 2015 at 2:33 pm

You may get free ambulance service, but I bet you don't get your choice of helicoptor.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedMay 5, 2015 at 2:35 pm

"Ambulance services in Australia, including air lift, are all free. But we are a poor country."

Maybe that signifies cause and effect.

–B.G.–

Luke Schmidt BPL Member
PostedMay 5, 2015 at 2:45 pm

How often to hikers in trouble get flown out by an Air Ambulance versus the National Guard or local SAR? I believe that changes billing a bit.
SPOT and Delorma Inreach users have options to purchase insurance with their devices, not sure if there are any gaps in coverage. Like say the SAR gets you out and the hospital wants to move you?

HkNewman BPL Member
PostedMay 5, 2015 at 3:00 pm

Depends on the state or region. There is combined law enforcement SAR (uniformed feds like border patrol, maybe state/local) on the New Mexico/Far West Texas/Old Mexico borders and deeper into New Mexico, it's mostly state. Usually it's a fall resulting from a hike turned into a climb without a helmet, though the far more rare " … rescued stuck in a freak snow storm for days .. down to chewing boot leather.. and Fido was looking tasty" gets national press.

ADD: Then again I knew a backpacking group that had a lady break her leg pretty bad on a Gila trip (at least 10 or 15 years ago). A nearby trail crew radioed in for a copter and then the trail crew cleared a way through the forest for it to land or to carry her to a fire landing pad. Something like that. She got billed apparently but her medical insurance paid for it iirc.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedMay 5, 2015 at 4:25 pm

The way it used to be…

In national parks like Yosemite, if somebody got badly injured in the backcountry and needed a helicopter, the park service first did some checking. If the victim was legal, on a legal wilderness permit, doing something legal and then pure bad luck hit, then the park service would attempt rescue using the Navy from Lemoore or the park service's own fire-spotting helicopter, and they would all chalk that up as a training mission. So, the victim got a free ride. If the victim was not legal or incredibly stupid, chasing the black bear, jumping off the cliff, etc., then the park service did not cut them any slack and the victim ended up paying a hefty bill for the helicopter ride. In fact, the Yosemite Valley clinic used to waive their bill to the victim for the first incident only, and on the same basis of legality. All of that had to do with getting the victim evacuated to the clinic or to the first real hospital. Once the victim reached that first real hospital, then they were on their own, cost-wise.

–B.G.–

M B BPL Member
PostedMay 5, 2015 at 5:10 pm

Generally speaking, if youve got good health insurance it will be covered if it was medically necessary.

For something not immediately life threatening, like a broken ankle, the copter needs to drop you at a trailhead for ground ambulance, or the rest of the air ride to a facility might not be covered.

If you dont have good insurance, well , you are taking a risk. I agree, know your fine print. but even if you pay 10% coinsurance on 40,000, it isnt that much, and a small price to pay for being rescued.

The best thing to do is, not get hurt.

PostedMay 6, 2015 at 12:40 pm

Good health insurance = FULL ON oxymoron.

I didn't know it existed. Can someone refer me to one?

PostedMay 6, 2015 at 4:26 pm

Yeah, Roger, you "Communists" in Oz get full medical coverage from your national government.

Be WE here in the good ol' US of A have nice Republican Congressmen who are strongly opposed to such "creeping socialism". They insist the nice (rapacious) private health insurance companies can do it better. Uh huh…

Our nation is slowly sinking to the Venezuelan level of income disparity between the top 10% and the the rest of us chickens in the "underclass".

M B BPL Member
PostedMay 6, 2015 at 6:53 pm

Good, and cheap, are two different things, as always.

Its up to people to select the level of protection they desire, and pay for it.

just like homeowners, or vehicle, etc.

Unfortunately, some want, and get , a free ride. Just like some drive without insurance.

Ken Thompson BPL Member
PostedMay 6, 2015 at 8:43 pm

23 million people in Oz with gov't healthcare.

38.8 in California alone. Many with no insurance whatsoever and a hospitals for profit.

Apples and oranges comparison.

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