Crampons for the Grand Canyon

I wouldn't waster your $ on yaktrax- there is a reason they get mixed (more neg than positive), microspikes while more expensive simply work and work well, very well! The pair I have now has over 1500 miles of trail running on them, a few quick sharpenings (about 500 or so miles) is the only thing I've had to do to them.

microspikes would be perfect for any ice encountered in the Grand Canyon (or anywhere)

Kahoola microspikes. If you don't need again resell here. Our experience with yaktrax left a lot to be desired. Just not very good on any kind of a grade.

One more for Kahtoola's.

Look for the updated version (avoid old stock) they have a couple more spikes on the rear pad. You can probably look at pics on their sight to see what I mean. Stops some slipping issues they were dealing with in the first release, so I was told. Great gear. I do wish they had used a little lighter weight chain as the stuff IMO is overkill. I am going to try and lighten a set and see how they go but don't get me wrong they are fantastic on the iced hill sections of trail out here in the N. East. Almost as nice as walking on dry ground.

jimmyb

PS I recommend you bring the shoes/boots you plan to hike in most with you to fit them. My LG will fit my summer mid's as well as my winter boots. They stretch quite a bit with no issues.

I've hiked this trail several times in the winter. The top of the trail tends to be packed snow, icy and pretty darn slick due to all of the foot traffic. It seems like after 1- 1/2 mile in, the trails are pretty clear and back to dirt. At the park, they use to sell in-step cleats which worked OK and were pretty cheap (~$12). They are not as nice as other options but they are cheap and did the job.

My 2 cents – Jon

This works really well for me. Your cheapest option. Not so good on concrete or wood floors. When you're done, just remove the screws and your shoes back to normal.

http://www.gobroncobilly.com/how-to-screw-your-shoes/

These look like what Grand Canyon used to sell.

CMI Ice Cleats
http://www.columbussupply.com/products/?productid=2365

These might be better
http://amzn.to/1LU8Syc

http://www.runnersworld.com/trail-running-gear/screw-shoes

DIY Studded Shoes

Yup, you can stud knobby tires like that too. Its a bit tough on the guy behind you when they start getting loose though :)

jimmyb

Do they not sell crampons at the marketplace anymore? I'm gonna be there in a week, thought of getting them there but might have to rethink that if it's not sold…

When, exactly, are you going? I get there March 7th and could update you on trail conditions. And/or handoff slip-on creepers if you want. PM me with specifics if an email or text update would be handy.

Edited to add: if timing works out and you want slip-on traction devices, I could leave them somewhere and you could mail them back.

The gift shop at the GC was selling instep campons last winter I think for $15 to 20 each. You could call ahead and ask. Did not see anyone renting crampons. I would not buy anything but Kahtoola microspikes which have the advantage of fitting over most any trail runner or boot if you get the right size. Kahtoolas are not cheap and to outfit a whole family would add up in $.

I would think an instep crampon would need a relatively stiff sole. Take hiking poles too.

As noted above, you need the traction devices only at the beginning of some of the trails where foot traffic stamps down the snow and the freeze-thaw pattern from the sun turns it to ice. IN other words, you could spend $200 on 4 or 5 pairs microspikes that spend most of their time in your pack. But when you need them, you REALLY need them.

I'm pretty sure they don't rent them at the Market but they do sell them. I'd call though — the Market has a pretty decent gear department but winter items can be pretty picked over or sold out by March. Whether they sell them or not will be moot if they don't have your size in stock.

If I were you, I would get them from somewhere like REI and leave them in the packaging until I get to the Canyon. If you don't need them, you can just return them when you get home. If there's ice on the trail, it'll be the worst at the top, so you'll know if you need them before you start hiking.

I've found it best to go to the store *with your footwear* to try them on for size. Because they go over your shoe, sizes/fit can really vary.

Do consider the weight since, at worst, you'll probably only wear them for top mile or two. You'll be carrying them for the rest of the time.

I like the Icetrekker "Diamond" model myself.

Thanks for your replies. Living in Phoenix, I'm not sure that I will be able to find much locally. We have two growing boys (12 and 14 years old), so it would be great to find something that is not sized specifically to their current shoe size.

The plan was to hike down South Kaibab and up on Bright Angel, but we could just do Bright Angel if the trail conditions are better.

Dave, I'll send you a PM with the itinerary and if you could let us know the conditions when you get there, I would appreciate it!

Anyone know anything about Snowline Chainsen?

More than likely all you need is instep traction since both trails may have some ice patches closer to the top, depending on precipitation/temp patterns. You won't always need to use traction and I have only used traction once in several trips there. I used sheet metal screws into my shoes. It is more time consuming but you can remove them around a break. The best might be something removable and could even be a myog project.

Cutting some appropriate rubber into rectangles, adding straps, and using sheet metal screws would be an awesome project. Probably would use 3/8" length screws at least. I wonder if gluing the rubber to some outer plastic might allow a 1/4" sheet metal screw to stay in place. That would be a David engineer question.

So I'm getting PMs from Kenneth and Becky about sending them trail condition reports before they leave for GCNP and possibly borrowing ice creepers from me. I PM'ed Ken,

"I knew an old timer (Kenai Game Warden and Alaska Territorial Policeman #13) who would use bleach on shoe soles to soften them up and make them stickier on ice – I guess like drag racers do to soften up their tires."

and thought I'd copy it here, in case that gives anyone else ideas.

I'm also brainstorming on a totally UL approach for short stretches on slick ice:

Get some plumbers sandpaper (used to clean copper pipe, it is comes on a strong cloth backing):

Put a grommet in each end, secure to one's shoes with a shoe lace, and use it to transverse the tricky bits.

My beach is pretty icy downslope of the freshwater steeps just now, so it's a good time for me to test a little MYOG ice creeper.

My Costco is selling packages of two sets of Yaktraks-equivalent traction devices for $20, I believe.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Emergency-Crampons-for-Ice-and-Snow/

http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-Easy-Light-duty-Snow-Crampons

http://www.instructables.com/id/Ice-hiking-with-homemade-shoe-ice-chains/

http://www.actiontools.ca/wintertools/tractionstraps/icecleats.html

BIG CAVEAT….I have no experience with these and there are no reviews. However, you can get 4 pairs for the price of one Kahtoola pair. Buyer beware. http://www.gearbest.com/camping/pp_116335.html

David,

The icy trailed is far from pristine. You can count on packed in dirt, leaves and other items int he snow. The top of the trail will be slick form all of the tourist walking (and mainly slipping) down the trail in their sneakers. Also, you will find frozen mule urine at a majority of the switchback (occasionally a mighty big pool) as well a mule poop.

I have reservations as to the effectiveness of bleach or plumbers tape. Best wishes – Jon

" … you will find frozen mule urine … "

… if you're lucky.

John,

Nice links on the instructables website. They remind me of how people used to do tire chains – you wrapped a long length of chain around the rim, between the spokes, of a model-T's tires. You can still do that on modern rims. I've used it only once and with a rope rather than a chain, but to get out of a 60-foot patch of snow left in June on the north slope of a Sierra back road, it worked.