Skurka and Sierra Designs team up for gear

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I guess I just see claiming a guy changes his gear lists in order to make a buck as questioning his motives. I don't see how you can interpret it as anything else.

Especially after somebody posted and explained WHY the gear lists were updated. Then the same suspects kept calling his motives into question. Yeah, no bashing going on.

"I haven't seen anyone participate in any Skurka hating. I've seen a lot of defending him, and a fair amount of people then going onto to question the abundance of Skurka-love, but other than that I agree that people need some reading comprehension practice."

Nailed it. Thanks Jennifer.

Holy feces.

Yes everything Jennifer said. +100 and all that.

For the record, I invented titanium pots. Please credit me any time a titanium pot is mentioned.

Thank you for your consideration.

:)

http://andrewskurka.com/2011/how-to-make-a-fancy-feast-alcohol-stove/

"I received my first Fancy Feast stove from Ryan Bozis (aka Major Slacker), who attended one of my presentations in Virginia in Spring 2006. I of course thanked him for it…."

The only thing I usually tell Andrew is that he clearly said we'd get up at 6am and it is 5:57 AM GD it! ;)

Getting back to the SD…

When my wife needed a new shell, I was pleasantly surprised to see a SD Hurricane on clearance for ~$35. This was back in December. Seems very similar to the GoLite Tumalo in terms of the niche it fills. The new ones look to be $90. Not bad, still. Probably even less $$$ on sale.

The Mrs likes her jacket and replaced her old Marmot Precip she had for almost a decade. Heck, for ~$35, it is a very good jacket. More importantly, she liked it for the ski touring we did over Dec and January.

(I called this photo the Winter Storm Trooper look!)

If SD can continue in this vein, it may indeed fill the older Golite niche.

Yeah man. When I posted, I just wanted to see if anyone had any info on the snazzy prototype pack..

I just reread the gear lists post and to my eye it does seem he was questioning Skurkas obligations to his sponsors. I could be wrong. But, strangely enough, the very inflammatory concept of "sell out" was introduced in the subject line by a supporter.

"I received my first Fancy Feast stove from Ryan Bozis (aka Major Slacker), who attended one of my presentations in Virginia in Spring 2006. I of course thanked him for it…."

Paul, I am fully aware of that quote.

And THAT is ALL Skurka has ever said about how he came by that stove. You'd think that since 2006, after hundreds of paid lectures and backpacking classes, a gear book ,several DIY blog entries and youtube videos outlining his use of that stove, Skurka could at least have enough intellegence and grace to call the stove by its proper name, not the name of a completely different stove someone else invented.

Tell me Paul, when a gear maker like Gossamer Gear or SMD sends you a pack to test , would it be impressive or usefull to your blog readers for you to just MAKE UP a name for the pack models or call them by their proper names? I bet Glen VanPesky or Ron Moak would be REALLY impressed by that,eh? Your blog readers might also find it a bit confusing as well.

If a microbrewer sends your Trailshow crew beer samples do you just call it "beer" or Budwiser and leave it at that?

No, you acknowlege that kind GIFT by calling it by its proper name. I just listened to your latest show and know that is the case.

The subject of Andrew Skurka's intentions is not in itself problematic. What is problematic is the personal attacks, which have largely taken place within the last 72 hours. Repeat offenders have and will continue to be deleated as necessary.

Preach it, Jimmer. Skurka should have disclosed his multi-million dollar advertising contract with Fancy Feast, when we all know Friskies was first and best cat food on the market. I haven't once heard him give Friskies any credit.

David,

I might not agree with your perspective, but I do appreciate knowing where you're coming from.

Thanks for the clarification.

I'm not accusing him of making any money from it. Or in any way using the name as a tool for self promotion.

Its just that it IS a glaring mistake. Calling a Supercat stove a "Fancee feast" is as intellectually lazy as calling an MSR Pocket Rocket a "Fire Nozzle".

The difference is MSR has legal and marketing dept to correct such continued errors. The Supercat stove does not.

An amatuer backpacker/youtuber (and trained Circus Clown) like Shug Emery can call the two alcohol stoves by their proper names,but Skurka can not muster tbe will to do so..

Marvelous:)

"Its just that it IS a glaring mistake. Calling a Supercat stove a "Fancee feast" is as intellectually lazy as calling an MSR Pcket Rocket a "Fire Nozzle".

I didn't even know it was a Supercat until I read this article. I just called it a cat can stove and told my friends that when I gave them out. Now I feel just horrible and apologize to you Jimmer for the fact I didn't bother to research this and have been intellectually lazy. I hate it when I'm intellectually lazy! I'd also apologize to Jim Wood if there was any indication he gave a rat's a$$. (Unless Jimmer=Jim Woods?!!!!!)

"The difference is MSR has legal and marketing dept to cotrect such continued errors. The Supercat stove does not."

The Supercat stove has you! And you sure aren't going to let anyone forget it's really a Supercat stove so that's covered.

The great news about this thread is Sierra Designs has now been made fully aware of of the enormous hole in the current gear market place for an ultra light panties de-buncher.

It will be interesting to see if one of the cottage guys are able to get head start and beat SD to market.

:) In all seriousness lets talk some backpacking guys and gals. This is too good of a forum for this.

Once upon a time it was Logan until the "Cabin Fever" monster came to town.
It will be back to normal again in 6 or 8 weeks.

Some winters it's worse than others.

What did we just talk about? You can't just go renaming stuff to suit yourself! The panty de-buncher was invented years ago by our own famous Doug I.
It was properly named the panty de-twister.
Don't try to steal Doug's glory.

Proof of intellectual property:

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=43859&startat=80

"I didn't even know it was a Supercat until I read this article. "

Likewise! I too, apologize for my intellectual laziness. All these years, I called it a cat food can stove..and I am such such a scallywag, I even called the earlier version a "soda can stove" rather than by it's correct and proper name of the Pepsi Can Stove.

I hang my head in shame! ;)

About beer..of course I would not misname beer. That is actually super-duper important stuff unlike the proper name of Cat Food Can Stove (TM)…er sorry..Super Duper Fancy Cat Pepsi Stove (TM)…which most of us, myself included, did not realize. :D

For future reference, I know now it is possible to talk about cat food AND beer in the same sentence. Frisky Lager? Purina Porter? Sheba Stout? Fancy IPA?

The possibilities!

ps. I am such a n00b, I don't even know the difference between the various alchie stoves. :O

"Holy feces."

+1

"Yes everything Jennifer said. +100 and all that."

X 10

No I am not Jim Woods..but if I WAS, I'd sure as heck have more of a right to be a smartass on this thread than you do. That's a fact;)

Are you Andrew Skurka? you seem to really be upest by my posts.

Too bad.

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call it a SuperKatherine Stove, please.

…and to make it thread related..here's another photo of Mrs Mags wearing the affordable, effective and, bought before Andrew renamed it from the Hurricane Jacket to the

"Super Duper Skurka Magnificent Awesome Jacket" on his blog. :O

…the MAGnificent of course is a subtle nod-of-his-head to his trusty assistant. As mentioned, I AM a scallywag!

David beat me to it! Thanks David!

Did he take it out of a box labeled "Supercat" and destroy the box so he could rename it? Did he hire agents to break into a top secret stove laboratory and steal the plans so he could build his own and name it what he wished? Please, someone who has been around awhile share the back-story with me. It is getting so I can't sleep nights from trying to puzzle out what is going on around here.

This is not my fault. Blame George, he wanted to know the story.

[to the tune of the Beverly Hillbillies theme]

Let me tell you all a story ‘bout a stove named Supercat,
It was invented by a guy named Jim Wood quite a while back.
And then one day a guy named Andy came along,
Who got hisself a stove, then he up and named it wrong.

Fancy Feast that is. Lousy food. Good stove.

Well the first thing you know ole Andy’s a billionaire,
Okay, I’m only kidding, I made that part up there,
But tempers were a flaring over at the B-P-L,
Though most members shook their heads and exclaimed “What the hell?”

About the brouhaha that is. Seemed silly. Still does.

BANJO SOLO!
[sorry, i don’t know how to write something that sounds like a banjo sound….]

George, hope this helps….