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Layering System for Those Who Sweat a Lot????

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PostedFeb 18, 2015 at 7:45 am

Yep, that's me. No matter the temperature (20* to 102* so far), I sweat with a pack on. No matter the clothing.

So, my clothing systems aren't about keeping dry during the day; they're about keeping warm during the day.

For warm temperatures (above 40* F), I wear a short sleeve polyester T-shirt, preferably light colored and form-fitting. I wear an acrylic kilt (which happens to be my quickest-drying clothing item) on my lower body.

When I stop, if it's below ~55* F, I'll throw on either a fleece full-zip or my windbreaker (wind shirt). Both pass moisture well, neither holds it particularly much, and which I choose has more to do with wind conditions than actual temperature (if it's windy, the windbreaker goes on; if not, the fleece).

For colder temperatures (20* to 40* F), I also bring a down puffy. That'll go on if I'm stopping for more than fifteen minutes. If not, the fleece/windbreaker combo goes on and keeps me warm enough. I also wear a longsleeve 150 wt merino top. It's going to get damp, but the merino works well enough at avoiding flash off that it's worth it for me.

If it's raining, I have a poncho available with a quarter zip (yes, I sweat that badly).

While I know that it's not really the done thing for ultralight trips, I bring a set of camp base layers, as well. For warm trips (above 50* F lows), that consists of a pair of boxer/briefs and a second synthetic T. For cool trips (between 32* and 50* F lows), that consists of a longsleeve Patagonia R3 top and a pair of boxer/briefs. For cold trips (between 20* F and 32* F lows), it consists of an R3 top and bottoms.

I also have a set of sleep socks on cool and cold trips–thick, warm, loose wool socks. For cold trips, I bring a pair of bread bags to use as vapor barriers under the sleep socks but over my hiking socks.

Hope it helps!

Matt Bowler BPL Member
PostedFeb 18, 2015 at 10:33 am

Hi,
Wow. Thanks for all the info. As to the question asked in one post above, I am referring to temps in the 20s and 30s—maybe down to the teens.

Above 40 and I am not really concerned about layering–warm enough just to wear one layer most of the time in those temps.

Matt

PostedFeb 18, 2015 at 3:15 pm

Whalen,

"As a sweaty person, I’ve come to accept several things that will never change:
I will always have to deal with wet clammy skin despite the season.
Anything marketed as breathable or moisture wicking, even if it is legit, will not apply to me.
And finally, I will always have a heavier base weight than I’d like because being someone who sweats a lot requires different considerations than someone who doesn’t."

Same thing applies to me. Thanks for verbalizing it.

PostedFeb 18, 2015 at 6:07 pm

@ Daryl and Daryl- Thanks for the shout out. Much appreciated.

Even though I check out BPL just about every day (even at night under a tarp curled in down, when reception allows; weird but true), I rarely chime in with an opinion. There are too many backpackers here with far more experience and expertise than I have. This community is fortunate that the well is as wide as it is deep; and moreover, I never feel the need to throw my two cents in just for the sake of the throw. But every once in awhile I’ll find a thread that pertains to me, usually about being tall or big.

(I keep waiting for that ‘What’s the best hat for a bald man to wear on a cold night’ thread?!?).

So when I read this thread on being sweaty, I figured my opinion would have some value. My intention was two-fold: one, to pass on what has worked for me in regards to dealing with being wet (and easily chilled) nearly all the time; and two, to give an example of when it’s good to carry a heavier base weight. Sometimes what you bring is as important as what you leave home.

My knowledge of backpacking has grown leaps and bounds since I started learning from this community; it amazes me sometimes. And while I do find, at times, threads become bent from strong opinions, I have always sensed that the underlining message–regardless of topic, experience, new technologies, new materials, new products–is this: find what works for you. That’s important; and it’s a message, despite all that I’ve learned about materials and methods and what-nots (Gawd knows I’ve bought and sold a lot of what-nots), that I am still straining to hear every year.

Allow me an example: last summer was my greatest backpacking season to date. I did the JMT in two weeks, came home to rest, and then did The Wonderland Trail. That was a huge accomplishment for me. The JMT was the first time I truly felt like I was applying the knowledge I learned here over the years. My base weight hovered around ten pounds, my Big 3 felt dialed in, and more importantly, I felt like I could look someone in the eye and say that, yes, I was serious about backpacking, that it was an important part of my life.

Now: as I prepared for The Wonderland, I went over my gear list and reduced it further simply for the sake of reduction, as if to show myself just how serious I could be about backpacking, as if to say ‘I am under 10lbs!’. That too felt like an accomplishment. But it wasn’t. For me, it was stupid. The JMT and Wonderland are very different trails: white sun vs. dark shade. Even though it was in the 80s with perfect weather the entire trip, I was chilled most of the day, sometimes downright cold in midafternoon. And here’s the thing: I love backpacking in WA and go on overnight trips 3 times a month all year round, so I KNOW that it can be significantly colder in the shade; and I KNOW I start sweating from step one; and I KNOW that many times I need breathable insulation while I’m hiking, and not just my down jacket at the end of the day . . . but when I packed for The Wonderland and thought about bringing my R2. . . there was that stupid little voice that said, ‘But it’ll be more weight and you won’t be an ultralight hiker.’

And so I didn’t bring it.
And I sweated my ass off.
And I was chilled until I reached the riverbeds and sat in the sun briefly before starting back up into the cold shade.

This entry is a bit rambling and off topic, but I always enjoy reading when someone else shares their journey to finding that Backpacking Balance, and more importantly, how broadly they define that first, fundamental lesson we all hear:
Hike Your Own Hike.

(Even if you are a big tall bald sweaty restless side-sleeping backpacker)

James holden BPL Member
PostedFeb 18, 2015 at 6:27 pm

To the OP

Try something like a cap4/T2/phase AR/SV at those temps

Itll be a tad bit "warmer" but they are quite breathable …

Theres a few theories on "sweating"

1. Wear minimun possible when moving and put on poofay when stopped … Problem is that its faffy

2. Wear highly breathable warmer clothes when moving and zip up when stopped, the clothing must be synthetic or fleece to allow it to dry quickly … This is the idea with polartec alpha and also wearing a slightly thicker layer i mentioned above … Advantage is that you arent faffing all the time, problem is that you are sweating more but it dries out quickly

3. Create a microclimate with a windshirt … Problem is that it may not be as breathable as the above

Most folks use one or a combination of the above …

If you do decide to go the thicker base layer route it should be right up against the skin, snug fitting and have little bumps on the inside to facilitate moisture transport

Also get somethibg with a chest deep zipper and use the zippers effectively when stopped

;)

Brett Peugh BPL Member
PostedFeb 19, 2015 at 7:51 am

I do something similar to whalen e with an R2, Westcomb Crest hoody and some OR ls and ss Echo wicking shirts and a tarp/poncho and find that a versatile system above freezing. I am getting away from hard shells and thing that don’t breathe that much because the micorclimates are killing me when I stop.

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