To say that the lightweight backpacking movement has fostered a broader trend within the outdoor industry would be a grand understatement. Indeed, one could now make the uncontroversial argument that claims about "lightness" have reached a point where the term-like other outdoor marketing buzzwords-means very little when it comes to evaluating a particular product, manufacturer, or retailer. From backpacks to apparel, the term 'lightweight' has been repackaged within the mainstream outdoor market without a meaningful context or clear definition. Fewer features, standard fabrics, and a tiny reduction in overall weight are sold as 'lightweight' shellwear. Thinner tents in the same traditional designs are produced by major manufacturers, and every small accessory you've ever owned now has 'lightweight' printed on the packaging. Avoiding a real need for education, the fundamental skills and techniques of lightweight hiking are still largely dismissed as fringe interests while the language of our approach has been warmly adopted and worked, without much concern, into technical doublespeak.
After six years work in the outdoor industry with the intent to promote and develop lightweight within the broader market in whatever way I could, I'm very partial to an approach that builds an alternative gear market. As a salesperson, my hope that major outdoor brands would get serious about lightweight hiking disappeared with the release of each new 'lightweight' product range that was less than substantial. Although the situation varies from country to country, I believe those lightweight hikers who remain optimistic regarding the mainstream industry do not have many reasons to be very encouraged about a more meaningful acceptance of the lightweight approach, despite recent developments toward real innovation within the wider market. Overall, economic woes have continued to drive larger American and British producers toward the nontechnical consumer and greater consolidation, while those manufacturers focused on Australia and New Zealand (with a few exceptions) have continued to stagnate to the point of being thoroughly out of touch with wider trends.
Standing in brilliant opposition to these market realities is the emergence and rise of cottage lightweight manufacturers, MYOG promoters, and small independent retailers. Not only has the development of the cottage industry meant the availability of gear that meets the immediate needs of lightweight hikers, but it has also resulted in other positive outcomes: greater communication between producer and consumer (in contrast to the often confused looks and hostile replies encountered when the specific requirements of lightweight hikers are brought up with major trade representatives); an ethical commitment to 'buying local' and 'within the community'; and the sense that one is buying a product of handmade quality.
So what does one do when a noble commitment to supporting smaller enterprises starts to look like blind faith rather than a reasonable response to an unresponsive market? As Ryan Jordan has noted in his Cottage Stagnation and Recent Gems article, the margin of advantage held by cottage brands over the mainstream is quickly narrowing as cottage producers struggle to maintain a combination of high product quality, innovation, aesthetic appeal, higher-volume production, and acceptable customer service. A year and a half since that critique and little has changed. The success of a few operations that now seem poised to straddle the divide between cottage popularity and serious production has been encouraging, but significant developments have not yet eventuated.
With these realities in mind, what kind of consumer commitment should we make to drive change in the market? That is, as a community, should we take a position on the kinds of businesses that garner our support? Depending on our choices, we could be responsible for the death of cottage production as a viable alternative or, on the other hand, patronizing big manufacturers could likely result in the further dilution of the lightweight philosophy due to the overwhelming ability these organizations have to pursue technical innovation and drive consumer behavior.
There is, I think, a middle way between these two possibilities. However, it is not simply taking a more critical tone toward cottage production or running enthusiastically into the arms of corporate outdoor manufacturers and retailers when minor concessions are made toward lightweight backpacking philosophy. In order to generate a discussion regarding the broader issues at stake, I suggest the following two strategies should be adopted: Support the decentralization of the outdoor industry
Buying from cottage manufacturers is preferable, but it isn't enough. The lightweight community should bring about the greater decentralization of the outdoor industry as a whole by supporting smaller retailers (not just those making gear); larger companies developing innovative products and doing business in ways that are in line with lightweight backpacking philosophy; and opposing the chokehold a few major corporations have on the market. One identifiable problem is the dominance of US-based enterprises, cottage or corporate. A diverse outdoor market requires products that are appropriate to the local climate and terrain as a global matter. Australians buying from American cottage manufacturers won't fix that problem, but a more decentralized industry would address such issues. Moreover, but supporting innovation and quality first and foremost, we will drive innovation in a way that even the largest corporations cannot manage alone.
Build a more comprehensive lightweight hiking philosophy; this is not a new idea, but one that is critical in order to develop a meaningful market for lightweight gear. Lightweight means more than counting ounces and grams, and our approach to gear should recognize that and take a critical approach to how the term is employed. Quality should be critically important, durability shouldn't get lost in the mix, and technical marketing should be as accurate as possible. Additionally, we shouldn't let technical concerns override other considerations. I'd like to see ethical issues (environmental sustainability and labor standards, for example) become as important to lightweight backpacking philosophy as pack weight. The concept of lightweight has already been expanded and explored beyond backpacking, and the continuation of this approach will only enhance our perspective.
Should we continue to buy from cottage manufacturers? Absolutely. But the emphasis on cottage production ensures that we continue to ask the wrong questions. We should buy quality gear that doesn't weigh much, but we should do so cognizant of the future we want for the lightweight hiking philosophy and the outdoor industry at large.
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Jerry, I was pointing out that Davy is using a photo of mine as his avatar. That in itself is not a big deal. I wonder if he knows where the lake in his avatar is located. You'd think he would have something else to show people besides a squid face or a photo of mine he lifted.
"But sometimes people are driven by intelectual curiosity"
Perhaps. But sometimes it sounds like a bunch of spoiled children wanting a new toy.
Once again the forum discussion is more interesting than the article.
That's YOUR photo?
It was posted by someone by the name of Trace @ http://www.trailspace.com which is where I got the picture. From what I believe it is Pinnacle Lake. Did HE take it from you?
This can't be you, can it? If it is, that is some pretty special intel you were pulling yourself! Of course, I figured it out on the thread. Transparency is a difficult concept for you. When I confronted you, you started calling people idiots. LOL.
Here is the link: http://www.trailspace.com/forums/gear-selection/topics/113220.html#113596
I have a suggestion: maybe write your responses on word and edit them there. You keep changing your posts and it all gets really confusing.
Oh and Dan – as I mentioned to you before: Davey Jones IS the Squid Face. Cool, huh?
Would you like me to remove the picture of Pinnacle Lake?
No problem.
I was Trace. At that point in time I was trying to find out who a guy was using the avatar CWF that was saying things about my packs. I had no I idea it was you. There was no evidence of David Ure anywhere. You have since changed it to Family Guy. I'll bet you are a great family guy. Don't you have 2 boys? What do they do while you waste your time on the net?
Midas?
Midas Mulligan?
People constantly changing their names and avatars?
I am just getting so confused…
Jerry, I'm just pointing out you want to stay away from the Davy Jones creep.
Davy, Don't worry about anything. I saved your CWF posts. What's that stand for anyway? Should we have a guessing game contest?
I think instead of Avatars that Dan & Davey
Need intro music like Pro Wrestlers.
I can't stop watching! This is so entertaining.
"You have since changed it to Family Guy."
Nice try. I can't change that.
You sneaky little devil.
Hilarious – you edited again!!!
I have a Mchale LBP38 for sale; anyone interested? ; )
Ugh.
Is this really going to get ugly and personal, including the kids?
Can we rewind ?
I'm lost. I don't care. You two should just get a room and get it over with. Grow up. Now back to whatever else was going on here.
It's okay Kat – he is wrong on the family type anyway.
Dan, it really doesn't matter if someone says your packs are great for something specific (which I did) because you will always find an issue with that. Your packs are to be the best for everything. Of course, we know that is not possible because people are individuals and want different things from their gear, not to mention at specific price points. In addition, innovation is remarkably individualistic. You say you created the daisy chain (I refuse to bring that thread up so do a search) and now the bottom volume reducers that Golite and MLD have used successfully. Fine. I thought you had adopted it from them supported by your comment to me that they were 'new.' And what is so wrong about that? Adoption. Adopting ideas makes innovation that much more effective.
But your approach has been, and will continue to be, ATTACK, ATTACK, EDIT, ATTACK, EDIT. It gets tiring.
"Nice try. I can't change that."
At least the name in parentheses is constant so there is a chance to find my way out of the confusion.
I think mostly personal attacks should just be ignored, characteristic of the internets.
I can understand Dan defending himself when people are critical of his packs because that's his livelihood.
This is just about the people like David Ure that make the internet less valuable than it otherwise might be.
I never claimed to invented the daisy chain, and I am not editing in a way that changes things, like adding this sentence to and existing sentence or fixing spelling etc. What you did at trailspace was basically say my pack wasn't working for you while you were CWF but under other names you said otherwise. You hadn't even told me you had an issues with it. I caught you at it is all. When you changed the name to Family guy recently, it changed the context of what was there under another name.
David Ure said,
" You say you created the daisy chain (I refuse to bring that thread up so do a search)"
He says something like that and can't back it up and doesn't even try. Who is he telling to do a search? Is it for me to do or a reader? How about the guy claiming what I said doing the search?
Indeed, Jerry. But no where were his packs criticized on this thread.
CWF? Last straw…grasped. ; )
"I never claimed to invent the daisy chain, and I am not editing in a way that changes things, like adding this sentence to and existing sentence."
That isn't what the PM's are telling me.
"What you did at trailspace was basically say my pack wasn't working for you while you were CWF but under other names you said otherwise. I caught you at it is all."
Caught me at what? You are correct. It didn't work for me. However, your packs do work for some. So any of my comments post that pack have been positive. General, but positive. I let other's make up their minds.
"But no where were his packs criticized on this thread."
I was just speaking in general
I agree, one pack can not be best for all applications. Saying that shouldn't be considered unfair criticism.
What is pot roast. I will admit I find this thread confusing. I didn't really understand the pot roast thread.
Dan and David,
This thread had only cemented my prior thoughts – hiking with both of you would be a hoot. Seriously, no sarcasm intended. Let's set it up.
I figure you wouldn't press to be up front.
PS – I know SuperGreen. What is ViolentGreen ?
Tanner,
Violent green is part of a lyric of an REM song from back in the early 90's. It used to get stuck in my head all the time. Jim SubZero was asking me this the other day, maybe he will chime in with his recollection of that phrase.
Ryan
I like REM. I imagine I have heard the song but don't remember hearing the words. They seem to like colors in their lyrics. At least as much if not more than other bands.
Guys, tone it down a bit please on these main forum streams. If you want to have a go at each other, please use Chaff instead.
Cheers
Roger Caffin
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"Violent green is part of a lyric of an REM song from back in the early 90's."
""What's the frequency, Kenneth?" is your Benzedrine, uh-huh
Butterfly decal, rear-view mirror, dogging the scene
You smile like the cartoon, tooth for a tooth
You said that irony was the shackles of youth
You wore a shirt of violent green, uh-huh
I never understood the frequency, uh-huh"
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