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  • #3578128
    John W
    BPL Member

    @john-the-outdoorsman

    It had never really occurred to me to check the tent’s dimensions against website specs until we gave a thought to buying wider sleeping pads.

    So we checked out the specs and they state 45” floor width, so we thought that 25”+20” pads should do well. Then we remembered that almost always (unless having it pitched using a shorter than 1 meter pole) we had the floor stretched out width-wise with just our two 20” neoairs.

    Surprise! Our tent’s floor is 42″ from corner to corner, measured along the edge with the bug net. Maybe 43″ between the bottom corners. The weight is up to spec, 623g for Camo version.

    Other measurements are also off. For example, tent width peak-to-peak is 49″ vs 53″ stated. Same 49″ seam-to-seam width on the feet/head wall.

    How many inches of sleeping pads are you able to cram into your Duplex?

    #3578133
    JCH
    BPL Member

    @pastyj-2-2

    How old is your Duplex?  Wondering if they have changed over time.

    #3578142
    John W
    BPL Member

    @john-the-outdoorsman

    Late 2016. I checked web.archive.org and the measurements did not seem to change since.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20161121122033/http://zpacks.com/shelter/duplex.shtml

    This tent has a solid, sewn in 8 inch (20 cm) tall bathtub floor rather than a detachable groundsheet like our other tents. The bathtub floor is a rectangle 45 inches wide by 7.5 feet long (114cm x 2.3m).

    If I measure my floor bug net to bug net, it comes out 55” (vs 8” height + 45” width + 8” height = 61” if I understand the website correctly). The length along the edge with bug net is less than 220 cm (vs 230 stated).

    The stated weight is now lower. 595 grams for 0.51 cuben then vs 539 now, probably due to some design improvements.

    #3578219
    Dan @ Durston Gear
    BPL Member

    @dandydan

    Locale: Canadian Rockies

    I could be wrong but I think the main change that affected the weight was the switch from zippers to clips.

    #3578228
    William Chilton
    BPL Member

    @williamc3

    Locale: Antakya

    We have a very early Duplex, from the first month they were available, and as far as I know, they’ve never had zippers, except on the inner. They did have a different clip system to close but I don’t think it made much difference to the weight.

    Incidentally, we’ve had two Klymit Insulated Static Vs (23″ wide)  in it without a problem. We do set it up with the pole lower than recommended though.

    #3578237
    JCH
    BPL Member

    @pastyj-2-2

    Like @williamc3, my Duplex is very early…Nov 2013…and there were never any zippers except for the inner netting doors.  It is a .74 canopy and while I haven’t weighed it recently :) it was right on the published specs when new.  I will try to get it out tonight and measure it up.

    #3578269
    Dan @ Durston Gear
    BPL Member

    @dandydan

    Locale: Canadian Rockies

    I stand corrected re. the zips.

    #3578282
    David Caudwell
    BPL Member

    @dcinbc

    Locale: Gulf Islands, Coastal BC

    The 2018 weight savings were due to a switch to lighter weight bug netting, I believe.

    2019 may see a further weight reduction (maybe another 30-40g?) if the new, lighter “V” linelocs with 1.2mm cord prove effective on the Plexamid V Beta.

    #3578287
    Dan @ Durston Gear
    BPL Member

    @dandydan

    Locale: Canadian Rockies

    I’ve been doing some testing on the LineLoc V’s. They are not a good design. The V shaped grove wears into a U shape with as little as 2 feet of cord slippage, and holding power is reduced by over 80% subsequently. Also, at high loads the V shape cuts the cord much below its breaking strength.

    When I did controlled testing, I could load up a LineLoc V to about 90 lbs and then it would either cut the cord (some trials) or slip (other trials). If it slipped so the load dropped 2-3 feet then the V shaped groove was entirely worn into a U shape and holding power was dramatically reduced from 90 lbs to about 10-15 lbs. It’s basically shot.

    The problem is partly the V design that places the load on the plastic rather than back on the cord (like a LineLoc3 partly does) but also because the plastic being used it too soft and it wears at much higher rates than the plastic used in LineLoc3’s.

    So they work when new and many folks could use them for a long time and not have a problem, but if you get slippage for any reason (e.g. someone tripping over the cord) then that LineLoc V is likely toast. Even under normal use, I wouldn’t be surprised if the wear of adjusting them substantially degrades the holding power over time because the plastic is so soft and the force is so focused. What I expect will happen is that they are fine for a while but wearing slowly with use. Then after moderate use they will have worn enough that they start to slip slightly under strain (e.g. wind) and then they’ll rapidly degrade from there.

    I’ve been testing other options too. As far as I can tell, the only options for enabling lighter cord are using taut line hitches or cam cleats. You can also use a LineLoc3 which is only 0.1 grams heaver, and then use 12″ of thicker cord with that before connecting that to thinner stuff.

    #3578310
    Mole J
    BPL Member

    @mole

    Locale: UK

    Dan.

    ( Thread drift – sorry – maybe another thread is needed)

    In my experience, the groove in the mini clamcleats can also wear to a U with thin line after a while. I’ve had 2mm line wear mine out. During a particularly windy 2 week trip kept slipping, ( guys on the hoop pole on the Scarp) and realised that was the problem once examined and swapped for new once home.

    The Slidelock type adjuster appears to work with thin line ok so far. But slightly heavier than lineloc3s and quite an agressive action on the line.

    #3578388
    Dan @ Durston Gear
    BPL Member

    @dandydan

    Locale: Canadian Rockies

    Good point on the cam cleats – I haven’t tested them to failure yet. The reason I was more optimistic on them is because at least they’re easily replaced when they wear out, whereas most of these other tensioners are permanently sewn to the tent so the stakes are higher.

    That Slidelock looks interesting but RSBTR in the comments says it’s more for secondary guyouts and seemingly not strong enough for a ridgeline.

    #3578452
    John W
    BPL Member

    @john-the-outdoorsman

    @williamc3, could you take some width measurements of your Duplex? Particularly, the total floor width from bug mesh to bug mesh without setting up the tent. Mine came out 55″.

    And what pole height did you usually use with 2×23″ pads?

    #3578497
    William Chilton
    BPL Member

    @williamc3

    Locale: Antakya

    It’s late evening here, but I’ll try to remember to measure the floor width tomorrow.

    As to pole height, we normally pitch with the poles set at a little under 115cm (ca 45 inches), so quite a bit less than Zpacks recommended height. It does make the groundsheet wider.

    #3578509
    John W
    BPL Member

    @john-the-outdoorsman

    Thank you, William. It would be very interesting to compare the measurements.

    We usually pitch with 110cm poles and that seems to not outstretch the mesh with our 2×20″ pads. Not sure though that we have as much as 6″ extra width for wider pads there. I’m going to pitch it in my living room and try stuffing the pads and 6″ of some rolled fabric between them to see how that goes.

    #3578615
    William Chilton
    BPL Member

    @williamc3

    Locale: Antakya

    Ok, I measured the width at the seam across the centre and it was a smidgeon over 143cm, so an inch and a half or so wider than yours. I also measured across the top of the groundsheet at each end (because I misunderstood what you wanted until I reread your post), from the seams in the netting, and got 108cm.

    Also, not a big difference but I misremembered the pole height we use – it’s 112cm, not 115.

    #3598449
    Brad W
    BPL Member

    @rocko99

    @John W  Are you still using your Duplex for two people? I am considering a Duplex for me and my wife and we also have 25″ and 20″ wide pads. Wondering if this will be an issue.

     

     

    #3598493
    Franco Darioli
    Spectator

    @franco

    Locale: Gauche, CU.

    The Tarptent SS Li has a 45″ floor.

    It does fit 1x 25″ plus 1x 20″ mat , as seen in the product photos

    #3598498
    Brad W
    BPL Member

    @rocko99

    @Franco-Thanks.

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