Winter Gear Shakedown | Upper Midwest | Temps -20F to 20F

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Got your thoughts. Thanks Ken.

Not familiar with that bag- what’s the comfort rating?  How much overfill did you get?

I’d think about nixing the Torrid and and add the down parka, if it’s going to be below 0- I wouldn’t mess with my primary insulating layer.

I’d also seriously thinking about adding in mitts w/ below 0 temps, gloves typically fall short in those temps.

Have fun, not enough folks want to brave cold temps and miss out on one of the best seasons to be out imho!

The comfort rating is -20C and I added 8oz of 950 fill. So it should be plenty warm.  I typically layer a 15F down quilt with a 30F apex quilt.

I will most likely bring the big parka, it is super warm. I’d be layering the torrid with the nano air. So they should be warm enough though.

Mitts are a game changer for me. Especially if you are spending any time in camp, which in the winter you are for sure.  They are on my list – was just deciding between the EE ones and the Black Diamond ones.

thanks for the thoughts!

Ahh- yeah you’ll be golden with that bag :)

With those temps I don’t think I’d trust Nano Light + Torrid vs Nano Light + down parka, always better to err on the side of safety in the winter.

I thought you were nixing mitts in favor of gloves, yeah definitely mitts.  The E&E mitts might be warmer, but if there is a chance you’ll use mitts snowshoeing, the BD ones will hold up better with the leather palms.

More folks should get out in the winter, one of the best season to backpack imho! :)

I may take these gloves Showa 282 And the EE mitts. Might be the right balance. I haven’t used the Showas much, can’t wear a liner in them but they do have a fleece liner.

Hi Steve,

I hope you had the trip already?
some thing s that I wonder about:

Lots of layers of clothing (for a 4 day trip)

Upper body:

1. mesh baselayer
2. wool Baselayer
3. Airmesh baselayer
4. nano air
5. Torrid
6. frog togs
7. Grade VII parka

And similar for the legs.

I would say that most of the time the following is enough:

1. 1 baselayer,
2. 1 light insulation layer (PT Alpha Direct is my preferred, but R1 style works well too, or Nanoair if it’s on the colder side (~highs below zero F).
3.  shell
4. Winter down parka

Perhaps adding the EE Torrid if the chance of very low windchills is high. And that would also add a nice extra bit of insulation in camp in addition to the Grade VII parka.

Similar story for the legs.

I would not bring the Showa gloves. Their primary benefit is waterproofness and dexterity.

Their drawback is lack of layering abiliary and slow dry time.

Since you are talking about cold enough temps, that wetness is not an issue, I’d skip them.

Showa 282-02 tip: Rip out the liner and use your own. Solves problem with drying.

The 282s layer better than the 281s because the 282s are slightly larger (after removing the liner). I can wear two layers of liner in mine.

My only beef with Showas is that they are bulky to pack. Thin shell mittens are more compact.

At 8.1 ounces ( with book of matches ) its not ultralight but for winter freezing conditions where you know fire is unlikely,  that 8.1 ounces pretty much guarantees you one, plus minimal heat, plus lighting, plus comforting Plus LEAVE NO TRACE.. and no hard work, time or effort!! For me it has become standard.